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April 15th, 2021, 08:47 PM #11
Re: Building an AR for a relative in NJ
That's the problem, the ATF, AFAIK, has never defined/set that time period. They (the ATF) would rather use the nebulous "INTENT" to do what they want to gun owners. That way, the ATF could go to court and say that they had been watching X and they had a record of him building firearms and always selling them after 6 weeks so they he "intended" all along to sell without a license. Could a good lawyer get him off? Probably, but who knows.
I do know that when a FFL transfers a firearm into their private ownership, it is recommended by the ATF that they don't sell it as a private party sale for a year. In PA that would deal with long arms since private sales of long arms don't require the use of an FFL. A FFL could however, transfer it to himself, then 3 months later, transfer it back into his books and dispose of it wih no consequences.
The problem is that the ATF wants to keep these things in a gray area to make it easier to control firearms owners because people can't figure out what the laws actually say and the ATF never gives a black and white answer.
I will say though, that the ATF is in for a big smack down because more lawyers are questioning, and winning, when they fight the definition of what part of an AR is actually the "firearm".Ron USAF Ret E-8 FFL01/SOT3 NRA Benefactor Member
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April 15th, 2021, 09:47 PM #12
Re: Building an AR for a relative in NJ
Fred,
Seriously, the most prudent advice one can give here is DON'T assemble an AR and send it to NJ. let your relatives in the other side of the Iron Curtain figure it out for themselves. It's a noble gesture to help them but you may be setting your self up for a world of fucked up legal hassles that may lead to you becoming a prohibited person owning a firearm in PA
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April 16th, 2021, 10:35 AM #13
Re: Building an AR for a relative in NJ
Mistake 1. Saying "for a relative".
Mistake 2. Saying "in NJ".
Mistake 3. Posting #1 and/or #2.Galations 6:9...And let us not grow weary of doing good, for in due season we will reap, if we do not give up.
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April 17th, 2021, 03:11 PM #14
Re: Building an AR for a relative in NJ
Hey Guys,
Thank you all for the information and opinions.... I think at this point I*ll just keep this rifle on this side of the river..... and just get him a
NJ *compliant* rifle.... I really do not see transferring a lawfully obtained lower (and rifle built on it!) would violate the intent of the law in NJ....
But it is a strange land.... and *there be monsters there*! I have spent a lifetime not being a felon... and would really like to stay that way!
Thank You!
FredA Templar is truly a fearless knight, and secure on every side, for his soul is protected by the armor of faith, just as his body is protected by the armor of steel.
Big whoop, I'm spooning a Barret .50 Cal...... I could like kill a building.....
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April 20th, 2021, 10:49 PM #15Super Member
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Re: Building an AR for a relative in NJ
Just a piece of advice. If I were you, I would maybe look at several member*s history here. Then choose one you trust to ask your questions like this via Private Message. You just opened a can of worms for yourself with this. No doubt your content is now being watched. And I wouldn*t be surprised if the FBI/NSA starts listening in on your phone and invades your online privacy. Better keep your thumb over your camera lens & hope you don*t have Siri or Alexa in your hone.
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April 21st, 2021, 12:40 PM #16Grand Member
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April 21st, 2021, 03:43 PM #17Super Member
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Re: Building an AR for a relative in NJ
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April 21st, 2021, 06:38 PM #18
Re: Building an AR for a relative in NJ
Assembling a firearm sounds like an act of white supremacy. I'd definitely steer clear of the racists that now rule New Jersey.
Corruption is the default behavior of government officials. JPC
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April 27th, 2021, 12:49 PM #19Member
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Re: Building an AR for a relative in NJ
This is why our side will lose. "It sounds scary, don't do it"
The definition of a Manufacturer from 27 CFR 478.11: "Manufacturer. Any person engaged in the business of manufacturing firearms or ammunition. The term shall include any person who engages in such business on a part-time basis.
27 CFR 478.11: Engaged in the business—(a) Manufacturer of firearms. A person who devotes time, attention, and labor to manufacturing firearms as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the sale or distribution of the firearms manufactured.
Building one rifle for a friend as a gift is the same as buying one firearm for a gift. It's going through a dealer and sounds like the OP did some research to ensure it will be NJ compliant.Last edited by sawgunner73; April 27th, 2021 at 12:51 PM. Reason: Add info
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April 27th, 2021, 03:21 PM #20
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