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    Default GOA Video: Gun Control is Here. Take Action and Stand with Us!!

    President Joe Biden JUST announced his gun control via executive orders. Gun owners must act RIGHT NOW to stand for the Second Amendment ** http://gunowners.me/StopBiden*

    Val W. Finnell, MD, MPH | Pennsylvania Director, Gun Owners of America | 717-220-3380

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    Default Re: GOA Video: Gun Control is Here. Take Action and Stand with Us!!

    Renewed for another year last week and donate to GOF every time I buy something from Amazon.

    Keep up the fight, Val, we're with you. Go get them!

    I hope you're right about the bump stock court win.
    Galations 6:9...And let us not grow weary of doing good, for in due season we will reap, if we do not give up.
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    Default Re: GOA Video: Gun Control is Here. Take Action and Stand with Us!!

    Except they were executive ACTIONS; not orders.
    There is a difference.
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    Default Re: GOA Video: Gun Control is Here. Take Action and Stand with Us!!

    Made another donation to GOA yesterday.

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    Default Re: GOA Video: Gun Control is Here. Take Action and Stand with Us!!

    Quote Originally Posted by ett View Post
    Except they were executive ACTIONS; not orders.
    There is a difference.
    Technically yes, but not in a way that makes a difference. This makes it seem like we shouldn't be concerned. That moron Brayden over at Langley Outdoors Academy made everybody think there is nothing the Democrats can do and they have no power to do anything that matters. Nothing could be further from the truth.

    ATF just got a radical new anti-gun director and marching orders to go ban/regulate "concealable assault style weapons", 80% and homemade firearms, etc. Of course they are going to do it enthusiastically. If "shall not be infringed" didn't stop them, the word "action" instead of "order" isn't going to stop them either.
    I am not a lawyer.

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    Default Re: GOA Video: Gun Control is Here. Take Action and Stand with Us!!

    I accepted a long time ago that the politicians of this country would make me a felon eventually.
    Stop supporting social media

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    Default Re: GOA Video: Gun Control is Here. Take Action and Stand with Us!!

    Quote Originally Posted by buckengr View Post
    If "shall not be infringed" didn't stop them, the word "action" instead of "order" isn't going to stop them either.
    What he said.

    Laws and the constitution are just ink squiggles on a piece of paper, if there aren't real people with real power behind them. Our job is to be those people.
    They even have minds but do not think. -Dov Fischer

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    Default Re: GOA Video: Gun Control is Here. Take Action and Stand with Us!!

    You're damn right I'm backing up the GOA. The GOA is backing up me; and I am backing up everyone else defending our liberties in this fight. shotgun joe crossed the line and pissed up the wrong tree. Donated what I can to this fight. We have a gun control train to derail.

    Laws and the constitution are just ink squiggles on a piece of paper, if there aren't real people with real power behind them. Our job is to be those people.
    I agree. The teeth of the Constitution is our right to keep and bear arms. That was the purpose- to oppose a tyrannical government destructive of its own ends.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yoder
    I accepted a long time ago that the politicians of this country would make me a felon eventually.
    I accepted a long time ago (Sandy Hook) that these power grabbers can kiss my ass- and that if one person is still fighting their agenda then there is still hope for the US- however minute and miniscule.

    Quote Originally Posted by buckengr
    concealable assault style weapons
    Is that the new buzzword the media is throwing around? Because, if I may use the vernacular of my southern family, "dem bitches hard to conceal yall". It's like a handgun is a lot easier to c... wait.

    Quote Originally Posted by buckengr
    If "shall not be infringed" didn't stop them, the word "action" instead of "order" isn't going to stop them either.
    Quote of the year for 2021.

    Quote Originally Posted by ett
    Except they were executive ACTIONS; not orders.
    There is a difference.
    I have a strong feeling the new ATF director is going to take those ACTIONS as ORDERS.

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    Default Re: GOA Video: Gun Control is Here. Take Action and Stand with Us!!

    Would a PAFOA lawyer please explain why the following would not apply to the coming gun law changes? The below should apply to E.O.'s enacted by the President also.

    Ex Post Facto

    Definition.

    Latin for "from a thing done afterward."

    Overview

    Ex post facto is most typically used to refer to a criminal statute that punishes actions retroactively, thereby criminalizing conduct that was legal when originally performed. Two clauses in the United States Constitution prohibit ex post facto laws:

    Art 1,
    This prohibits Congress from passing any laws which apply ex post facto.
    Art. 1 § 10.
    This prohibits the states from passing any laws which apply ex post facto.
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    Default Re: GOA Video: Gun Control is Here. Take Action and Stand with Us!!

    Quote Originally Posted by tlnzz1 View Post
    Would a PAFOA lawyer please explain why the following would not apply to the coming gun law changes? The below should apply to E.O.'s enacted by the President also.

    Ex Post Facto

    Definition.

    Latin for "from a thing done afterward."

    Overview

    Ex post facto is most typically used to refer to a criminal statute that punishes actions retroactively, thereby criminalizing conduct that was legal when originally performed. Two clauses in the United States Constitution prohibit ex post facto laws:

    Art 1,
    This prohibits Congress from passing any laws which apply ex post facto.
    Art. 1 § 10.
    This prohibits the states from passing any laws which apply ex post facto.
    I'm not a lawyer, but I think they get away with it by making a distinction between punishing a prior act (e.g. anyone who has ever eaten a doughnut prior to this date is guilty of a felony) and a future (or continued) act (e.g. anyone found in possession of an unserialized doughnut after the effective date of this act is guilty of a felony).

    Of course, I think there are arguments against this from a "takings clause" perspective (depriving someone of use of their lawfully-owned property by rendering it illegal), and in the case of firearms, the obvious 2nd Amendment violations.

    But I think this is how they get away with it.

    ETA: I'm not sure if or how they can compel you to take some sort of action to remain in "compliance" with such an act. For example, requiring someone to go serialize all of the doughnuts they already have in their possession or pay a doughnut tax stamp would be costly and might not be able to be done before the effective date of the act. This also seems like it should be illegal, since they are compelling you to take some action to remain legal. It certainly seems unfair and unethical, but that doesn't seem to stop anyone.
    Last edited by buckengr; April 10th, 2021 at 12:34 PM.
    I am not a lawyer.

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