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    Default Why have gun laws ?

    Gun charge felonies where dismissed.
    Why are the laws on the books, if they get dismissed ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fingers80002 View Post
    Gun charge felonies where dismissed.
    Why are the laws on the books, if they get dismissed ?

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    Gotta ask the prosecutors,some of whom seem to be completely out of their minds.Look up Marilyn Mosby when you get a minute..
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    I guess it's more desirable to get a conviction on a charge the defendant agrees to, than to risk not getting a conviction an the actual crime. In other words, politics and reputation. The prosecutor can claim "X" percentage of convictions, instead of admitting losing in court.
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    And what about Hunter Biden? I'm riding some legislator ass over that one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ROCK-IT3 View Post
    In other words, politics and reputation. The prosecutor can claim "X" percentage of convictions, instead of admitting losing in court.
    The problem is that our judiciary system - like politics - has become a GAME to those (judges, prosecutors & public defenders) who are supposed to protect the citizens. It used to be that the motto 'the Truth, the Whole Truth & Nothing But The Truth', was somewhat close to the goal of the judicial system. There were pockets of corruption, but on the whole, the system was working to protect the citizens from determined criminals.

    NOW - The only concern either group has is in moving up the food chain to better paying (more graft) positions. The entire system is corrupted by the 'QUICK WIN' goal of plea bargans - rather than the 'JUSTICE' goal. They don't want to expend their efforts to actually punish those who are part of the revolving-door GAME. They are neither interested in the 'JUSTICE' that the victims deserve or the 'JUST PUNISHMENT' that the perps deserve.

    When judges (& juries) refuse to put career criminals behind bars for LONG SENTENCES commensurate with their crimes, when governors release criminals from prison for the most inane reasons, then the Police & Prosecutors become jaded to the process of Catch & Release. They go thru the motions, but they are overwhelmed by the corruption of the system. They either acquiesce to the corruption norm and PLAY THE GAME or the good-intentioned ones will simply leave, knowing they can't fix the system.

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    Biden Eight Years Ago: We can't enforce the old laws, so we need more

    A nice little epilogue to a blog post I wrote earlier this week about *The Legislative Impulse,* courtesy of the Daily Caller:

    During the National Rifle Association???s meeting with Vice President Joe Biden and the White House gun violence task force, the vice president said the Obama administration does not have the time to fully enforce existing gun laws.

    Jim Baker, the NRA representative present at the meeting, recalled the vice president???s words during an interview with The Daily Caller: ???And to your point, Mr. Baker, regarding the lack of prosecutions on lying on Form 4473s, we simply don???t have the time or manpower to prosecute everybody who lies on a form, that checks a wrong box, that answers a question inaccurately.???

    Prosecutions for gun law violations have been significantly down over the last few years. In this particular case, over 72,000 applications for a gun license were scuttled by background checks, but only 44 cases of information falsification were prosecuted. But what we really need are even more laws!

    There are three lessons to take away from all this:

    1. For liberals, a *problem* is *solved* when the government passes laws and expands its power. The actual function of those laws, and their demonstrable effect on the *problem* at hand, are irrelevant. In fact, a good liberal considers it extremely rude to broach the subject. What matters is the political contest surrounding passage of the law. Everything that comes afterward is an intermission between acts of political theater.

    2. The Left views government power as a privilege, not a responsibility. Laws are not seen as commitments between people and the State, which the State is bound to honor. The incompetence of the State at addressing its duties is not an obstacle to its quest for greater power.

    3. Daniel Greenfield of Front Page Magazine ties Biden*s remarks into the whimsical nature of centralized power:

    Some laws are important and some aren???t. And their priority changes at a given moment. Enforcing the unimportant ones is ridiculed, but enforcing the important ones becomes a matter of life and death.

    If there wasn???t a penalty for lying on background checks, then Obama would be trotting out adorable kiddies and calling the NRA murderers for not passing a law to criminalize lying on background checks. But now that the law is here, the idea of actually enforcing it is just silly.

    A core component of true power is the ability to decide when laws are important, and when they can be ignored. Look at the special dispensation given to NBC News host David Gregory for flagrantly violating D.C.*s strict gun laws in public.

    A properly humble government would have reluctantly prosecuted Gregory, and admitted that his sad case proves the laws he violated are poorly thought out. A powerful and arrogant government, on the other hand, simply waves the law aside because Gregory is an associate member of the ruling class, and the ruling class reserves the right to exempt itself from laws it finds inconvenient.

    So of course a leftist like Joe Biden sees nothing wrong with demanding more laws, in the same breath he admits the State cannot effectively enforce the gigantic volume of law it has already written. Writing laws expands the State. Diligently and impartially enforcing them reveals it is hollow.

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    Rather than "justice is blind" justice sees the money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImminentDanger View Post
    The problem is that our judiciary system - like politics - has become a GAME to those (judges, prosecutors & public defenders) who are supposed to protect the citizens.
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    Basically, this! I remember when I first realized this (beware, new poster about rant about days of youth). When I was 19-20 years old my girlfriend at the time lived in a municipality that didn't allow street parking at all between 2am and 5am, or something close. Anytime I stayed over there was no other place to park but on the street, so, naturally receiving tickets was a common occurrence.

    You take your ridiculously over priced parking ticket down to the city hall and they would tempt you to just plead guilty to a lower charge, pay some money and have a quick in and out. This earned them cash and saved you the trouble of waiting before the judge. Games and money grabbing all the way.

    It dawned on me those years that: if that was how local municipalities were run, how F#$%ed up is our country on a larger scale? About the same time is when I started tuning in to politics and government affairs. It's been 22 years... and disappointment all the way in that endeavor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fingers80002 View Post
    Gun charge felonies where dismissed.
    Why are the laws on the books, if they get dismissed ?

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    Happens all the time in Erie. Prohibited, concealed, burglary. Gun charges dropped, deals for a year. In a year, back with same charges, but this time, murder.
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    We need more gun laws because murder isn't illegal enough yet...

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