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**bugout** · March 21st, 2021, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by Roadking

Interesting thread. I've been considering trading out my warm weather carry for a different compact. Current is about 30 years old and .380, 12+1. Small, decent capacity, fits my hand well, but is brutal to shoot. It is for emergency use ONLY...not a fun range toy.

What my main question is tho, why all the sudden with Taurus coming up as a comparison to S&W? Has Taurus become respectable in the manufacturing process, or am I missing a joke? Haven't done much pistol shopping in a while, so this thread has me wondering. Next thing I know I'll be hearing y'all praising Hi Points...(Yeah, I looked at a few some years back. Seemed okay for the price, but the lack of capacity turned me off. Just wanted a cheap 9 for when I didn't want to take my good-uns out and about).

Sorry for the thread drift, but being in the market, you may have opened up avenues to persue besides S&W, Ruger and CZ...again, unless I missed the joke...that happens sometimes.

i feel confident from my own experiences with Taurus and the new CEO and state-side plant in Georgia that they have turned the corner. people bag on them and keltec but i believe (other than ruger) they are the only gun manuf actually listening to what people want... i have the 692, 617, 856 3", 856 UL CH, G2C (had mil pro g2) and all are excellent, esp considering price tag when i got them. i did have a 617 titanium that had cylinder erosion and the interaction w customer service was (and still is) alot to be desired... but they eventually replaced it with a brand new SST 617. that 617 really should be on more ppls radars - 7shot, more K framish 2" with fixed front blade/ gutter rear, nice small grip, perfect carry esp w. bobbed or chopped hammer spur.. and when i converted to 9mm, smith 986 moonclips worked perfectly as will 692 9mm moonclips (but i did it pre-692).

now if they made an Ultralite 617 with concealed hammer and fiber or replaceable front sight... that would be it for me.

**Roadking** · March 21st, 2021, 11:01 PM

Appreciate the info...Like I said, been out of the market for a while. Last time I was looking, Taurus and Hi-Point were pretty much scorned. Nice to hear that an American manufacturer has listened to it's customers.

BTW, the one I want to swap out is a Grendel P12 (before it became KelTeck)...i.e. about 1992 manufacture date, IIRC. Strictly a CC sidearm.

Thank you.

**streaker69** · March 21st, 2021, 11:05 PM

I don't like the grip angle, I bet it feels like you're holding a 2x4.

**free** · March 22nd, 2021, 07:37 AM

Originally Posted by Ronin

Any particular reason?

I don't want to be in the state database..you know...that one that isn't supposed to exist, but does? That one.

**Ronin** · March 22nd, 2021, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by free

I don't want to be in the state database..you know...that one that isn't supposed to exist, but does? That one.

You frequent this site. You're in a database.

**free** · March 22nd, 2021, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by Ronin

You frequent this site. You're in a database.

I'm in multiple databases. But not that one.

Big difference between people knowing they're suppose to confiscate something and having a list of what they're looking for.

**Ronin** · March 22nd, 2021, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by free

I'm in multiple databases. But not that one.

Big difference between people knowing they're suppose to confiscate something and having a list of what they're looking for.

If you've ever purchased a handgun legally in the US, you're on a list. Anything else they find when they bash in your door at 2a is just gravy.

**free** · March 22nd, 2021, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by Ronin

If you've ever purchased a handgun legally in the US, you're on a list.

But not PA's database - which is the one I was talking about.

**Ronin** · March 22nd, 2021, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by free

But not PA's database - which is the one I was talking about.

The point is it doesn't matter which database you're in. They already know you have guns.

**Emptymag** · March 22nd, 2021, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by Ronin

If you've ever purchased a handgun legally in the US, you're on a list. Anything else they find when they bash in your door at 2a is just gravy.

I kept wanting to post this, but decided not to, but since you can't stop...

I fucking DESPISE this reply - and I see it ALL the time.

Yes, they know you own "A" gun. No fucking SHIT!
That's great - they know. It's also NOT THE POINT.

They don't know ALL the guns - they don't need to know all the guns.
I fail to understand why this is so difficult for some people to grasp.