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    Default Re: Our insistence on freedom is costing us freedom

    I hear that North Korea has virtually no street crime.
    Rules are written in the stone,
    Break the rules and you get no bones,
    all you get is ridicule, laughter,
    and a trip to the house of pain.

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    Default Re: Our insistence on freedom is costing us freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by esh21167 View Post
    With freedom comes responsibility. Today's society has a huge void of the latter, which will lead to a decline of the former.
    Everyone wants the responsibility. But, very few want accountability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ray h View Post
    The problem with crime rate is not that the police aren't catching or investigating enough people
    This is the case - The current concept of solution (of more laws proposed to target citizens based on maybes & mights) is misdirected. Our Republic is based on freedom UNTIL an actual crime against society is committed. Then punishment follows.

    The old military bases should have been converted to an intermediate level of prison where criminals had the opportunity for another chance to prove they can learn to live productive & non-criminal lives. These Artificial Societies would allow freedoms (within a defined space) to test the will of the detainee. Those who would commit further crimes in this environment would be moved into a prison setting to punish their lack of commitment to responsibly exercise their freedom.

    First offenders - rehabilitation in controlled envirionment (Artificial Society that is monitored)

    Heinous Criminal Acts or Recidivist - Punishment by prison time appropriate to the crime

    Career Violent Criminal - Execution because they are unsafe to unleash on society

    How many opportunities to clean up their lives that are offered in each effort level might be debated, but it cannot be unlimited.

    I don't believe the lives of criminals ought to be thrown away without an effort to recover a decent citizen, but I don't believe decent citizens should be constantly or forever put at risk from those with no respect for the lives of other citizens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bang View Post
    So keep supporting the gang-bangers enjoy the window that we insist upon....that the cops mind their own fucking business....and watch our gun rights shrink of our own doing.
    Oh, this is an easy call for me.

    I'd much rather have gang-bangers free to engage in drive-by shooting than for me to be subject to police harassment wherever I go. It's not even a close call.

    Fuck the concept of mind-reading police and pre-crime.

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    Default Re: Our insistence on freedom is costing us freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by Bang View Post
    But you are losing your freedom by bestowing the same freedom on the bad guys. Do you have a remedy?
    Yes, and it stems from your original post:

    Quote Originally Posted by Bang View Post
    And when they commit heinous atrocities, laws get enacted that constrain we of the law-abiding class, not them.
    Here is the weak spot in your point. We need to work to change the knee-jerk responses to said atrocities, not accept said responses as unchangeable fact.

    Not exactly a new argument. We've been saying forever that maybe we should make murder illegal instead of outlawing guns.

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    Default Re: Our insistence on freedom is costing us freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by Bang View Post
    But you are losing your freedom by bestowing the same freedom on the bad guys. Do you have a remedy?
    No we are losing freedom because chicken shit duche bags don't value freedoms they want security given to them. They did nothing for their freedom so they don't value freedoms. They never felt the whip or the boot. They never tasted the barrel nor the fire. They know nothing of history or work. They never saved nor owned anything of value. They cant do math nor make change. They put glue in their hair and scalding coffee in their lap. They eat Landry soap and drink milk untill they vomit. They take no responsibility for any of it. Everyone owes them everything. They don't know where anything comes from. They think babies are trash and sex organs an idea. In short, they don't deserve freedom, so it's being taken away and they celebrate it.
    The Gun is the Badge of a Free Man

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoder View Post
    You can have freedom or safety. I'll take freedom every time. When I first heard of stop and frisk I thought people were joking. I couldn't believe that could happen in this country. That is some shit that actual Nazis did. How about we go after people that are actually breaking the law and not trust a cop's spidey sense.
    When stop and frisk was is use in NY city it actually reduced crime by a lot. it was so successful that DeBlasio decided to do away with it and crime has spiked to levels higher than ever. If it is applied as intended, it works. Once you politicize it, forget it. There are many other cases I have read about which impacted crime in consequential numbers...once the public was told how they went about it, the practice stopped.

    I like the premise of how it works, but the implementation needs to be tweaked. Or, everyone go out and buy a gun and learn how to use it...either and or both work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RenoV8 View Post
    When stop and frisk was is use in NY city it actually reduced crime by a lot.
    Not allowing anyone to leave their apt would too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bang View Post
    But you are losing your freedom by bestowing the same freedom on the bad guys. Do you have a remedy?
    I reject your premise. My freedom is sacrosanct and not dependent on the actions of any other individual save the power structure that might oppress me for their political benefit.

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    Default Re: Our insistence on freedom is costing us freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by JAKIII View Post
    I don*t want McDonalds Corp. to have the freedom to build a restaurant in my sub-division... so, zoning laws are good.
    And the soccer moms don't want you to have the freedom to own scary guns, and the SJW's don't want you to have the freedom so say things they don't like.

    Daddy government is awful fickle, and it won't take much for those "good zoning laws" to apply to your gunsafe.

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