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    Default Re: No SWAT raid on the wrong house, cops get lit up & charge her for their F up.

    Quote Originally Posted by bpgood1 View Post
    Do you feel the same about pharmacies & pharmacists? Or just drugs the government has decided are illegal?
    I feel the same way about the Sackler family, if that is what you meant to say. If you really meant to say pharmacies and pharmacists, that's kind of a silly analogy. I was unaware the local drug dealer stocked antibiotics, insulin, and blood pressure medications, etc in addition to their usual wares.

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    Default Re: No SWAT raid on the wrong house, cops get lit up & charge her for their F up.

    Quote Originally Posted by PAMedic=F|A= View Post
    And the only *drugs* were marijuana
    Oh. Is that legal to distribute now?
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    Default Re: No SWAT raid on the wrong house, cops get lit up & charge her for their F up.

    The weak spot on the corner usually does not involve the quantity stashed in the house. When drug laws provide for penalties ratcheting on amount possessed, the point is to get the dealer off of the street for the longer period...hence the raid on the house. Polite asking for entry results in flushing or hiding that may go undiscovered. But that's OK, continue to tell enforcement how to do the job that you have chosen not to do.
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    Default Re: No SWAT raid on the wrong house, cops get lit up & charge her for their F up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bang View Post
    The weak spot on the corner usually does not involve the quantity stashed in the house. When drug laws provide for penalties ratcheting on amount possessed, the point is to get the dealer off of the street for the longer period...hence the raid on the house. Polite asking for entry results in flushing or hiding that may go undiscovered. But that's OK, continue to tell enforcement how to do the job that you have chosen not to do.
    Yeah, we should probably get rid of the warrant requirement, too. And trials . . . those things are very inconvenient.

    We don't let soldiers tell us who to declare war on, and we shouldn't let the convenience of the police determine whether we have the right to be secure in our homes. Why, ATF acted completely reasonably when they declined to arrest David Koresh on the street, so that they could showcase their expensive SWAT team for Congress to ooh and ah over at the budget hearings.

    Plenty of things would make law enforcement easier for cops, if we're just willing to throw enough of the pesky citizens under the bus.
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    Default Re: No SWAT raid on the wrong house, cops get lit up & charge her for their F up.

    She was so scared of the men barging into her house that she shot at someone outside, through the window.

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    Default Re: No SWAT raid on the wrong house, cops get lit up & charge her for their F up.

    No knock on my house in the night, I will knock you back. Wake someone up from a slumber and no one knows who it is, but has the right to protect their home and family. Bullshit no knock raids invite stupid consequences...one those who execute them...pun intended.

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    Default Re: No SWAT raid on the wrong house, cops get lit up & charge her for their F up.

    As I understand it, the 4th amendment is intended to serve as a form of accountability for lawmakers. If the evidence is so easily hidden that waiting to get a warrant would result in its disappearance, there probably wasn't much of an ill effect from the crime. Of course there are exceptions to that pattern, but in the aggregate, the 4th Amendment (when followed) is a very effective guarantee against government regulation of victimless crimes.

    I will grant that requiring a warrant will occasionally lead to guilty men going free. But, like the founders said, I'd rather two guilty men go free than one innocent one be convicted. Let's say Jeffrey Dahmer is in his living room full of acid barrels, eating some dude's leg. The police knock, announce themselves, and before answering the door, Dahmer hides the leg. When they get in, they're still gonna find the barrels. Crimes of the magnitude committed by Dahmer will be discovered by good investigators, regardless of whether they announce themselves.

    I'm really tired of hearing these headlines about relatively ho-hum situations being escalated to absurdity. Like that thread that resurfaced last week about a guy getting run over by a bulldozer while running from the police. JFC, who fucking cares *that much* about someone growing pot plants? Let the guy run. Same with most (if not all) of these people like Breonna Taylor, or the subject of this thread- JFC, calm the F down. They can't outrun the radio. As we discuss ad nauseum in regard to noncompliance with mag limits, etc.- they'll get you one way or another, so there's really no reason to waste bullets and risk people's lives over something they'll get caught for eventually. Sooner or later they'll get stopped for a busted brake light, or run a stop sign, or show up to register their car, or.... or... or... the list goes on.

    And I'm tired of riots over he said, she said. The only thing I can find in common between the Left's version and our version, is that both the cop AND George Floyd were more than likely pieces of shit. That tends to be the case with all of these "no knock" cases that end up in the 6 o'clock news. And there's no right answer to "whose shittiness caused the situation", which is why we have laws and courts in the first place. So let's calm the fuck down, have cops act as officers of the peace instead of "law enforcement officers", and let the courts handle it, as intended.

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    Default Re: No SWAT raid on the wrong house, cops get lit up & charge her for their F up.

    If you are shooting people outside your house out the window you aren't in danger. That's what I gathered from the article. If they came in the house that's different.
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    Default Re: No SWAT raid on the wrong house, cops get lit up & charge her for their F up.

    Quote Originally Posted by ShadeRabbit View Post
    I feel the same way about the Sackler family, if that is what you meant to say. If you really meant to say pharmacies and pharmacists, that's kind of a silly analogy. I was unaware the local drug dealer stocked antibiotics, insulin, and blood pressure medications, etc in addition to their usual wares.
    I certainly meant what I said. How convenient of you to leave out all of the highly addictive mind altering drugs that are dealt out daily, all of the opioids that are truly the biggest drug problem in the country.
    But ya if you wanna believe that only good helpful drugs come from pharmacies, then enjoy the view from under the rock.
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    Default Re: No SWAT raid on the wrong house, cops get lit up & charge her for their F up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yoder View Post
    If you are shooting people outside your house out the window you aren't in danger. That's what I gathered from the article. If they came in the house that's different.
    Its still her property. They break out a window to get in...do you have a right to shoot?

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