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    Default Re: PA Emergency Declarations to be voted on BY THE PEOPLE

    Quote Originally Posted by internet troll View Post
    Good, sad to say but this is needed. Don*t know how the vote will go though.

    1. Primary elections have small turnouts
    2. People are often unaware of the questions and/or forget about the question.
    3. Often times questions are worded in ways that people don*t get the meaning of the question and answer it differently than they would if they understood the question
    4. Maybe people like the governor having that kind of power. I just don*t know anymore.
    Wake up. We don't have fair free elections. Our legislature is all talk. They gave up their purpose an assigned it to the king. They did nothing. They will do nothing. Philadelphia will tell you whats what.
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    Default Re: PA Emergency Declarations to be voted on BY THE PEOPLE

    Quote Originally Posted by Brick View Post
    I got a personal call from my Rep yesterday part of the message was they were working on fixing it. I'm registered to vote as an independent, not 3rd party is voting on ballot questions permitted?
    You are permitted. Like it matters.
    The Gun is the Badge of a Free Man

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    Default Re: PA Emergency Declarations to be voted on BY THE PEOPLE

    No shenanigans going on with this ballot measure at all:

    https://ballotpedia.org/Pennsylvania...ent_(May_2021)

    Shall the Pennsylvania Constitution be amended to change existing law so that: a disaster emergency declaration will expire automatically after 21 days, regardless of the severity of the emergency, unless the General Assembly takes action to extend the disaster emergency; the Governor may not declare a new disaster emergency to respond to the dangers facing the Commonwealth unless the General Assembly passes a concurrent resolution; the General Assembly enacts new laws for disaster management?
    Yup, the average voter will completely understand that when they see it for the first time on the ballot.
    Rules are written in the stone,
    Break the rules and you get no bones,
    all you get is ridicule, laughter,
    and a trip to the house of pain.

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    Default Re: PA Emergency Declarations to be voted on BY THE PEOPLE

    Quote Originally Posted by Handyandy View Post
    Because I don't subscribe to the bullshit duopoly and don't want to be associated with it.
    Soooo
    which party policies align with more of YOUR opinions on subjects like Guns, Freedom of speech, and represents YOUR personal values?
    Derrion Albert was my Hero.

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    Default Re: PA Emergency Declarations to be voted on BY THE PEOPLE

    Quote Originally Posted by Walleye Hunter View Post
    Why would you not want the ability to vote in the primaries? Even if the Republican party doesn't need my vote, I use it against the Dems so I switch it to suit my needs when necessary.
    Honor. It's a value.

    Doing the right thing, even when it's not convenient.

    We desperately need people to do the hard right, over the easy wrong.

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    Default Re: PA Emergency Declarations to be voted on BY THE PEOPLE

    Quote Originally Posted by Xringshooter View Post
    The change would prevent the kind of situation we have seen during the COVID-19 emergency, in which the governor has used the emergency declaration to suspend laws, shut down businesses and spend money without the authorization of the General Assembly.

    The bill would not impact a governor’s ability to respond quickly to emergencies, nor would it jeopardize federal emergency aid. It would only ensure that the governor and the General Assembly work together to respond to a crisis and ensure all Pennsylvanians are represented during an extended state of emergency.
    This was the intention of our Framers, Checks and Balances, with NO lopsided power.
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    Default Re: PA Emergency Declarations to be voted on BY THE PEOPLE

    We saw this coming. Here*s the loaded language the Wolf administration released about the proposed amendment removing the BS 2/3 majority requirement the SCOPA invented to end an emergency declaration.

    RELATING TO TERMINATION OR EXTENSION OF DISASTER EMERGENCY DECLARATIONS

    Ballot Question

    Shall the Pennsylvania Constitution be amended to change existing law and increase the power of the General Assembly to unilaterally terminate or extend a disaster emergency declaration*and the powers of Commonwealth agencies to address the disaster regardless of its severity pursuant to that declaration*through passing a concurrent resolution by simple majority, thereby removing the existing check and balance of presenting a resolution to the Governor for approval or disapproval?

    Plain English Statement of the Office of Attorney General

    Joint Resolution No. 2021-1 proposes to amend Article III, Section 9 of the Pennsylvania Constitution to provide a new exception to traditional legislative procedure by allowing the General Assembly to terminate or extend a disaster emergency declaration or a portion of such declaration without needing the Governor*s approval.

    Currently, Article III, Section 9 establishes a general rule that all orders, resolutions or votes requiring approval by both the House of Representatives and Senate must be presented to the Governor for his approval or veto. Resolutions for the adjournment of the General Assembly are exempted from this process. If the order, resolution or vote is approved by the Governor, it becomes law. If the Governor vetoes the resolution, it does not become law unless two-thirds of the House and Senate vote to override the veto. The proposed amendment would create an additional exception to this customary legislative procedure for concurrent resolutions to terminate or extend, in whole or in part, a disaster emergency declaration issued by the Governor.

    The proposed amendment will also have the effect of reversing a recent ruling of the Pennsylvania Supreme Court which held the Pennsylvania Constitution prohibited the General Assembly from passing a concurrent resolution to terminate the Governor*s Covid-19 disaster emergency declaration without presenting it to the Governor for his approval. It will change the law to allow the General Assembly to terminate or extend a disaster emergency declaration through a concurrent resolution approved by only a majority of the members of the House and Senate, without having to present the resolution to the Governor for his approval or veto.

    The proposed amendment is limited in that it only changes the traditional legislative process for terminating or extending disaster emergency declarations issued by the Governor. The amendment will not alter the current legislative procedure with respect to which orders, resolutions or votes of the General Assembly must be presented to the Governor for his approval on any other subject matter.
    “A Republic, if you can keep it.” - Benjamin Franklin

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    Default Re: PA Emergency Declarations to be voted on BY THE PEOPLE

    I don't hold a lot of hope. The PA Supreme Court is packed with Democrats and the US Supreme Court just declined to rule on the last batch of election shennannigans.

    Sure am glad we worked so hard to get Kavanaugh and Barrett seats on the Supreme Court.....

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    Default Re: PA Emergency Declarations to be voted on BY THE PEOPLE

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    News You Can Use
    Friday, February 26, 2021 The latest news from the State Capitol
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    Don’t Be Fooled by Ballot Question Language
    This week, Republican leaders in the House and Senate held a news conference to decry the language used by the Wolf administration for two questions that will appear on the May 18 primary ballot relating to disaster emergency declarations in Pennsylvania. The questions ask voters if the state Constitution should be amended to limit a governor’s emergency declarations to 21 days unless extensions are approved by the General Assembly. The leaders called the questions “politically charged and prejudicial.”

    Ballot Question #1
    Shall the Pennsylvania Constitution be amended to change existing law and increase the power of the General Assembly to unilaterally terminate or extend a disaster emergency declaration – and the powers of Commonwealth agencies to address the disaster regardless of its severity pursuant to that declaration – through passing a concurrent resolution by simple majority, thereby removing the existing check and balance of presenting a resolution to the Governor for approval or disapproval?

    (Currently, the power to terminate or extend a declaration rests solely with the governor.)

    Ballot Question #2
    Shall the Pennsylvania Constitution be amended to change existing law so that: a disaster emergency declaration will expire automatically after 21 days, regardless of the severity of the emergency, unless the General Assembly takes action to extend the disaster emergency; the Governor may not declare a new disaster emergency to respond to the dangers facing the Commonwealth unless the General Assembly passes a concurrent resolution; the General Assembly enacts new laws for disaster management?

    (Currently, the governor can extend declarations indefinitely without approval from anyone.)
    Ecclesiastes 10:2 ...........

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    Default Re: PA Emergency Declarations to be voted on BY THE PEOPLE

    Quote Originally Posted by middlefinger View Post
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    News You Can Use
    Friday, February 26, 2021 The latest news from the State Capitol
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    You are welcome to contact me through this link.

    Don*t Be Fooled by Ballot Question Language
    This week, Republican leaders in the House and Senate held a news conference to decry the language used by the Wolf administration for two questions that will appear on the May 18 primary ballot relating to disaster emergency declarations in Pennsylvania. The questions ask voters if the state Constitution should be amended to limit a governor*s emergency declarations to 21 days unless extensions are approved by the General Assembly. The leaders called the questions *politically charged and prejudicial.*

    Ballot Question #1
    Shall the Pennsylvania Constitution be amended to change existing law and increase the power of the General Assembly to unilaterally terminate or extend a disaster emergency declaration * and the powers of Commonwealth agencies to address the disaster regardless of its severity pursuant to that declaration * through passing a concurrent resolution by simple majority, thereby removing the existing check and balance of presenting a resolution to the Governor for approval or disapproval?

    (Currently, the power to terminate or extend a declaration rests solely with the governor.)

    Ballot Question #2
    Shall the Pennsylvania Constitution be amended to change existing law so that: a disaster emergency declaration will expire automatically after 21 days, regardless of the severity of the emergency, unless the General Assembly takes action to extend the disaster emergency; the Governor may not declare a new disaster emergency to respond to the dangers facing the Commonwealth unless the General Assembly passes a concurrent resolution; the General Assembly enacts new laws for disaster management?

    (Currently, the governor can extend declarations indefinitely without approval from anyone.)

    I got that email also. The bad part is the standard way the Democrats word the questions so as to confuse everyone and most people when confused are going to vote NO when they should be voting YES on these measures (of course and the Dems know this).


    Personally I would make it even simpler ie, (Right now, the governor can extend emergency declarations indefinitely without approval from anyone. Do you want this to continue? - YES/NO)
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