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    Default Coming soon to PA? Possibly

    Seeing how Bloomturd is behind this, I foresee this coming to PA soon. They'll be bolstered by their success in MD and push for it harder in the surrounding states if not nationally.


    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...id=hplocalnews

    Maryland to require background checks of private sales of shotguns, rifles after overriding Hogan veto
    Pamela Wood, The Baltimore Sun 11 hrs ago




    Maryland will require background checks for all sales and transfers of rifles and shotguns, after lawmakers voted on Thursday to override Gov. Larry Hogan’s veto of the measure.

    Previously all sales of handguns, and sales of long guns by licensed firearms dealers, were subject to background checks. Private sales and transfers of long guns were exempt from the checks, which gun control advocates considered to be a loophole.


    Proponents of the new law say it will ensure that people who are prohibited from owning guns, such as those with protective orders against them or violent criminal histories, cannot get their hands on long guns by buying them in private transactions.

    They’ll now need to go to a licensed dealer, who can charge up to $30 to complete an instant federal background check. The law will go into effect in 30 days.

    Opponents argue that this creates a cumbersome requirement for otherwise law-abiding citizens who have a tradition of selling and trading guns among family and friends. They raised concerns that people would not know about the new law and unwittingly violate it — potentially leading to them losing their rights to own guns.

    During 40 minutes of debate in the House of Delegates, Del. Vanessa Atterbeary, the bill’s sponsor, noted “common-sense, tailored exceptions” to the background check requirement, including transfers between close relatives, temporary loans and antique guns.

    Atterbeary, a Howard County Democrat, argued that “law-abiding, responsible gun owners do not have any undue burdens” under the law.

    Several Republicans countered that the background check requirement would, in fact, be a burden. Some invoked what they believe is a “war on rural Maryland.”

    “Maryland rural residents are outnumbered and our traditions and ways of life are being criminalized,” said Del. Jeff Ghrist, an Eastern Shore Republican.

    Others argued that it is rare for gun violence to be committed by someone with a long gun obtained through a private sale even though they were prohibited from owning a gun.

    Hogan, a Republican, had vetoed the background check bill along with several other crime-fighting bills because they were not part of “a comprehensive crime package that included my proposals.”

    The House voted 88-46 to overturn Hogan’s vetoes of both the House and Senate version of the bill that were passed last year. That comes after a 31-16 vote in the Senate on Wednesday to overturn the veto on the Senate version. One final procedural vote — on the House version of the bill in the Senate — is scheduled for Friday.

    The veto override votes were celebrated by Moms Demand Action, a gun violence prevention group that had pushed for the law for multiple years.

    “Because of the General Assembly’s action, Marylanders across the state, from our rural areas to our suburbs and cities, will be safer and we will reduce gun violence,” said Danielle Veith, the Moms Demand Action chapter president for Maryland.

    The background check bill is among dozens of bills that Hogan vetoed following the 2020 session. Delegates and senators have spent much of this week taking override votes on the vetoes.

    Other key bills that Hogan vetoed include a 10-year funding and implementation plan for an ambitious public school improvement program, as well as a first-in-the-nation tax on digital advertising that was coupled with an increase in tobacco and nicotine taxes.

    The House overrode the veto of the education bill earlier in the week, and voted 88-48 on Thursday to override the veto of the advertising and tobacco taxes. Veto override votes on both measures are expected in the Senate on Friday.
    "Sometimes reasonable men must do unreasonable things."- Marvin Heemeyer

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    Default Re: Coming soon to PA? Possibly

    No doubt about it !

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    No comprende senor?

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    Default Re: Coming soon to PA? Possibly

    It almost doesn't matter, here. It will pass on a Federal level before the year ends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bug View Post
    It almost doesn't matter, here. It will pass on a Federal level before the year ends.
    ^^^

    This. Very definitely is going to be target number one at the Fed level, something "inoffensive" and "common sense" to use as a stepping stone to keep right on going.
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    Didn’t read the whole thing, but wouldn’t this law be relatively useless aside from logged long guns purchased from an FFL moving forward? Well that and undercover entrapment operations

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    I want to know how they are going to enforce it? If both parties keep their mouths shut and it’s done in the privacy of a residence, then they can’t prove it...without an actual registry that is. And even if they pull the 4473 forms and they don’t match up to the current owner, there’s no way to prove that the sale occurred after the law is passed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodwanderer View Post
    I want to know how they are going to enforce it? If both parties keep their mouths shut and it’s done in the privacy of a residence, then they can’t prove it...without an actual registry that is. And even if they pull the 4473 forms and they don’t match up to the current owner, there’s no way to prove that the sale occurred after the law is passed
    Right, like I mentioned ONLY purchases made through an FFL AFTER the law goes into effect would be traceable. There’s no reliable record of ALL previous private sales.

    Those previously purchased long guns, either private or FFL recorded, could continue to be sold privately with no issues (if done in private)

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    Wasn't this a "compromise" from the FOPA (GCA 1986) bill? The one that we gave up machine guns for?

    Granted this is state, not federal, but its still a fat load of bullshit.
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    Doesn't matter what the States do with the "transfer to family/friends - firearms and long guns" issue anymore... Biden, Pelosi and Schumer will make it a reality. As we have learned in the past, DEMS stay unified NO MATTER THE ISSUE. They will vote this in as fast as it is dished up!
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