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February 26th, 2021, 10:29 PM #31Grand Member
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Re: Question about buying complete AR pistol lower
I agree. A little mental masturbation is good but stuff like this is a huge circle jerk. Instead of pointing out technicalities and what the though police would do if you swapped an upper in your basement we should back it up with real cases of what the BATF prosecuted. I doubt you will find anything (unless they wanted to get you for other stuff).
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February 27th, 2021, 07:20 AM #32
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February 27th, 2021, 09:49 AM #33
Re: Question about buying complete AR pistol lower
You are wrong. A sbr does not have to have to have a stock. If I take a mauser and chop the barrel and stock to make an "obrez" it is still a sbr (technically "weapon made from rifle" but still falls under sbr) so once its registered as sbr you do whatever you want ie , stock, no stock, whatever barrel length, foregrip.
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February 27th, 2021, 09:50 AM #34Grand Member
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Re: Question about buying complete AR pistol lower
?!?
It was recorded. It's number is in a book.
Just because .GOV is not in posession of that book yet does not mean it was not recorded.
The vagaries of BATFEIEIO rules will always be decided by fellow swamp dwellers, as the recent election lawsuits indicate.
Do you think they will decide in the favor of some scummy deplorable gun owner?
Trust NOT the current rules or officials.American by BIRTH, Infidel by CHOICE
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February 27th, 2021, 09:55 AM #35Grand Member
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Re: Question about buying complete AR pistol lower
American by BIRTH, Infidel by CHOICE
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February 27th, 2021, 10:18 AM #36Super Member
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February 27th, 2021, 01:12 PM #37
Re: Question about buying complete AR pistol lower
I'm not going to argue with you, because this is not how it was explained to me when I talked to the NFA Division several years ago. They told me that if you remove the buttstock from an AR style SBR, since it now only has a pistol grip, you have effectively turned it into a pistol. Again, we were specifically discussing AR style SBR's and SBR's made as you described might be looked at completely different by the NFA Division.
This is the problem nowadays, there are too many varieties of things you can to with firearms that just can't be easily taken into account. If you could supply me with a citation about your example, I would love to have it to have it on file.Last edited by Xringshooter; February 27th, 2021 at 02:03 PM.
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February 27th, 2021, 01:13 PM #38
Re: Question about buying complete AR pistol lower
Ron USAF Ret E-8 FFL01/SOT3 NRA Benefactor Member
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February 27th, 2021, 01:39 PM #39
Re: Question about buying complete AR pistol lower
It 's a cluster fuck.
Here's how I like to remember things to keep it simple.
Machine Guns trump all
SBR/SBS trump AOW
NFA trumps pistol
Pistol trumps rifle"It seems that the Constitution is more or less guidelines than actual rules"
My feedback: http://forum.pafoa.org/showthread.php?t=305685
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February 27th, 2021, 01:55 PM #40Super Member
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Re: Question about buying complete AR pistol lower
But even that would not necessarily be true. If a firearm has a rifled barrel shorter than 16", but still maintains an overall length of at least 26" and is not concealed, it can have a vertical foregrip as well, and would be classified as a title 1 "firearm" and not a title 2 AOW.
I don't believe ATF has offered consistent guidance on nearly any subject in the history of their unconstitutional existence. I understand you may have received different guidance which may or may not be binding for you.
My understanding has generally been that a firearm registered as a title 2 SBR without its stock attached and a short rifled barrel is considered... a disassembled SBR... at least from the standpoint of it being in a legal or illegal registration status, provided all parts are retained to reassemble it to the registered title 2 configuration.
Similarly, my understanding is that if it originally started as a pistol, was registered as an SBR, and is now temporarily configured with a pistol brace or bare buffer tube, and no stocks are transported with it, or it is configured with a rifle length upper, it can be transported across state lines without the 5320.20. Since AR lowers (in particular) are so cheap, I don't advocate doing this since the nuances are clear as mud and it's best to avoid undue headaches when possible, but that is my understanding of the situation.
Please, please for the love of God, no one write another letter.
Lastly, it goes without saying, but every word of these laws and "regulations" are bullshit unconstitutional infringements of our natural right to own the tools necessary to protect our right to life.I am not a lawyer.
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