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    Default PICS just changed the rules

    Did a check on ePICS yesterday for a customer. He was put into Pending and late put into Research. Went on this morning to check the status and got this message (in big red letters):

    The Pennsylvania Instant Check System (PICS) has temporarily extended the research period from 15 days up to a maximum of 30 days. This temporary modification to the research period will allow additional time for the necessary documentation to be compiled by entities that may be impacted by COVID-19. PICS users will be advised when the research period has reverted back to 15 days.

    We've been in this COVIS-19 scenario for what, 9 months and they just now do this?

    PICS operators and managers will not respond to questions about this only to say "We were directed to do this." I wonder who directed them to do it - AG maybe?
    Ron USAF Ret E-8 FFL01/SOT3 NRA Benefactor Member

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    Indirectly, Biden, Soros, et al ilk.
    There are two kinds of guns. Those I have acquired, and those I hope to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xringshooter View Post
    Did a check on ePICS yesterday for a customer. He was put into Pending and late put into Research. Went on this morning to check the status and got this message (in big red letters):

    The Pennsylvania Instant Check System (PICS) has temporarily extended the research period from 15 days up to a maximum of 30 days. This temporary modification to the research period will allow additional time for the necessary documentation to be compiled by entities that may be impacted by COVID-19. PICS users will be advised when the research period has reverted back to 15 days.

    We've been in this COVIS-19 scenario for what, 9 months and they just now do this?

    PICS operators and managers will not respond to questions about this only to say "We were directed to do this." I wonder who directed them to do it - AG maybe?
    File a FOIA request

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    Default Re: PICS just changed the rules

    First it was churches & restaurants, next...gun shops.

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    Ah yes, the carte blanche excuse to violate any and all rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jthrelf View Post
    Ah yes, the carte blanche excuse to violate any and all rights.
    And yet, no one does a thing about it other than post stupid messages on a gun forum...we are pathetic! Until we do something to remove the corrupt from office, none of us deserves the right to keep and Bear arms...all talk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RenoV8 View Post
    And yet, no one does a thing about it other than post stupid messages on a gun forum...we are pathetic! Until we do something to remove the corrupt from office, none of us deserves the right to keep and Bear arms...all talk.
    What are you doing? Are you turning in your stuff?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RenoV8 View Post
    And yet, no one does a thing about it other than post stupid messages on a gun forum...we are pathetic! Until we do something to remove the corrupt from office, none of us deserves the right to keep and Bear arms...all talk.
    Brother if you can tell me how to mobilize the majority of the state as a group I'd be happy to enact section 1 article 2 of our state constitution under our declaration of rights via forcible removal of our corrupt politicians( as long as the majority see it fit to do so that way.)

    § 2. Political powers.

    All power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority and instituted for their peace, safety and happiness. For the advancement of these ends they have at all times an inalienable and indefeasible right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may think proper.

    https://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/L...00/00.001..HTM

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    UPDATE on the 30 day Research:

    From my Representative, Kerry Benninghoff (the new House Majority Leader):

    House Research staff reached out to the PA State Police and was told that like other residents and businesses of the Commonwealth, PICS has also been impacted by COVID-19. Due to a recent issue with COVID, background checks that were in the 15-day research period were going to extend beyond this timeframe and would have been placed in an undetermined status. To avoid that issue, they extended the research period temporarily. Based upon their current backlog of research, they should revert to the 15-day period in about two weeks.


    Me: Going to a 30 day Research in this scenario is actually better for people. If you go into Undetermined status(after 15 days), your recourse is to do the Challenge form and then you have to wait on the PSP to do their investigation which could (and probably would) take longer than the extra 15 days of PICS Research. That said, the PSP now knows that people in the legislature are looking at them.
    Ron USAF Ret E-8 FFL01/SOT3 NRA Benefactor Member

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    Default Re: PICS just changed the rules

    Except, the only basis in the law for "research" (actually referred to in the law as a "temporary delay") is in relation to whether assaulted-related convictions are domestic violence related. See 18 Pa.C.S. 6111
    Joshua Prince, Esq. - Firearms Industry Consulting Group - www.PaFirearmsLawyer.com

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