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November 1st, 2020, 12:34 PM #21
Re: qu7estions about going to a gun range
Got news for you, your inalienable rights can be taken away with Due Process, always have been able to do such from even before the US Constitution. Maybe you don't know this, that inalienable thing just means that you cannot lose the protected right by force of law, but you can lose it after conviction via Due Process.
The Founding Fathers executed lots of people, for as little as stealing a chicken(yes, there is record of that). You can lose your right to keep and/or bear arms upon conviction of certain crimes. Now, as for what crimes and what grading of offenses is certainly open to debate and the state/fed governments are exceeding things.RIP: SFN, 1861, twoeggsup, Lambo, jamesjo, JayBell, 32 Magnum, Pro2A, mrwildroot, dregan, Frenchy, Fragger, ungawa, Mtn Jack, Grapeshot, R.W.J., PennsyPlinker, Statkowski, Deanimator, roland, aubie515
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November 1st, 2020, 12:36 PM #22
Re: qu7estions about going to a gun range
RIP: SFN, 1861, twoeggsup, Lambo, jamesjo, JayBell, 32 Magnum, Pro2A, mrwildroot, dregan, Frenchy, Fragger, ungawa, Mtn Jack, Grapeshot, R.W.J., PennsyPlinker, Statkowski, Deanimator, roland, aubie515
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November 1st, 2020, 12:37 PM #23
Re: questions about going to a gun range
RIP: SFN, 1861, twoeggsup, Lambo, jamesjo, JayBell, 32 Magnum, Pro2A, mrwildroot, dregan, Frenchy, Fragger, ungawa, Mtn Jack, Grapeshot, R.W.J., PennsyPlinker, Statkowski, Deanimator, roland, aubie515
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November 1st, 2020, 08:20 PM #24
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November 1st, 2020, 08:21 PM #25
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November 2nd, 2020, 07:31 AM #26Grand Member
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Re: qu7estions about going to a gun range
inalienable rights or natural rights can never be taken or given away. they exist without any contract written or implied. government can either protect or deprive said rights. these rights exist for anyone past or present regardless of race, age, sex, color, creed, residence or place of birth. if someone commits a crime against written law then they can be found guilty and sent to prison. They do not lose any natural rights but they are deprived of exercising certain rights while incarcerated. by your logic our rights are granted by government and can be taken government which gives us no rights at all.
https://pacificlegal.org/government-...of-our-rights/
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November 2nd, 2020, 07:33 AM #27Grand Member
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November 2nd, 2020, 10:48 AM #28
Re: qu7estions about going to a gun range
Going to someone else's gun range in violation of the law is not a "natural right".
But if you want to hang your argument on Jefferson's words:
In describing natural rights, Jefferson first writes that *all men are created equal.* This equality is not one of result, in which material benefits might be confiscated and redistributed, but one in which no individual enjoys any rights-based advantage over their neighbors due to heredity, and all are held equal before the law.
They were perfectly willing to trade this concept, and the "natural rights" of some people for the creation of the nation they wanted to created. Principles exercised only when convenient are not principles at all.
Specifically, Jefferson describes the broad categories of natural rights as including *Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.*
According to Jefferson*s model, there is no such thing as *women*s rights,* or *gay rights,* or *minority rights,* which can be granted, modified, or restricted based on nothing more than the political winds or desires of fluctuating majorities. There is only inherent human equality and the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness possessed by all regardless of particular circumstances.
Overall, the credibility of Jefferson and his cohorts on the subject of "natural rights" is severely lacking.
I agree rights are not issued by the government. However, I don't think hanging that argument on the words of men who failed to do the right thing at the right time, when they had the chance to do so, is a particularly convincing argument - the "they did the best they could" excuse not withstanding.Last edited by free; November 2nd, 2020 at 11:10 AM.
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November 2nd, 2020, 10:56 AM #29
Re: qu7estions about going to a gun range
Dunno if they are just giving you enough rope to hang yourself, or what, but back when the forum rules were enforced, you would have been banned - either for a week, or permanently - for suggesting illegal activity on the forum.
There's how you think the world should be, and then there's the way it actually IS.I called to check my ZIP CODE!....DY-NO-MITE!!!
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November 2nd, 2020, 11:29 AM #30
Re: qu7estions about going to a gun range
RIP: SFN, 1861, twoeggsup, Lambo, jamesjo, JayBell, 32 Magnum, Pro2A, mrwildroot, dregan, Frenchy, Fragger, ungawa, Mtn Jack, Grapeshot, R.W.J., PennsyPlinker, Statkowski, Deanimator, roland, aubie515
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