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    Default Antifa IS Fascist

    Author does a good job of laying out his case for the mis-branding of Antifa(scist)

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...antifa-fascist
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    Default Re: Antifa IS Fascist

    Marxian analytic tools give me a headache. This kind of political analysis treats ideas like widgets that can be measured, weighed and compared. To me, it has as much substance as opining on how many angels can dance on the head of a pin and why.

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    Default Re: Antifa IS Fascist

    Quote Originally Posted by bill gray View Post
    Marxian analytic tools give me a headache. This kind of political analysis treats ideas like widgets that can be measured, weighed and compared. To me, it has as much substance as opining on how many angels can dance on the head of a pin and why.
    So just to be clear, are you saying that his conclusion is incorrect, or that you don't like the way he "crunches the numbers"? If the former, why? Straw man arguments give me a headache.


    Plutocrat Violence And Election-Night Horror: Marxian Analysis Shows That Antifa Is Fascist

    Authored by Joaquin Flores via The Strategic Culture Foundation,


    Antifa*s fascist violence will return on election night. That*s why it*s important to understand their fraudulence and fascism, and reject the politics of plutocrat-contrived violence. Perhaps strangely, Marxian analysis itself is best suited to communicate this point to the radical left.

    This is because at the root of Marxian analysis are not self-declarations, nor definitions based in superstructural manifestations, but rather the material relationship between base and superstructure.

    In layman*s terms this boils down to two things in practice: *follow the money*, and *watch what they do and not what they say*.

    The real existing financial motives and the socio-economic class behind those motives is what we will find driving the base, even while at the superstructural level we find an ideology which only nominally, only apparently, appears at odds with the real motives at the base. Antifa, at its class and financial base (i.e., its objective and material base) is a plutocrat supported and controlled operation against the republic.

    *Unlike the old left, rooted in radically independent organized labor, Antifa*s leadership and activities, to the contrary, are financed through billionaire oligarchs both directly and indirectly, like George Soros and Michael Bloomberg.*

    In the simplest possible terms, Antifa is fascist because while they use some of the talking points and imagery of the old left, they actually work towards a plutocratic coup (or counter-revolution) against the republic. This is not to say there is a system-wide fascist threat, for reasons we will explain in an upcoming installment. In short, the coming coup against republican norms will not establish *fascism* as historically understood, but a new kind techno-industrial repressive society within the rubric of post-modernity, which has hitherto not been contemplated rigorously outside of small circles of futurists and science fiction authors.

    Antifa and BLM protests have generally disappeared from the simulated reality of the controlled media lens, because these riots did not have the intended effect of delegitimizing the Trump administration, instead working against Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.
    Antifa Explosion * What the Week of November 2nd Will Look Like

    Once Trump declares victory at around 11:30 pm on November 3rd, right as social media bans, blocks, and censors Trump*s announcement of victory, we will see the start of mass Antifa violence in key cities in swing states. As the French Marxist Baudrillard would have explained, an entire media simulation will ensnare (within its simulacra) whole portions of the population, which will be encouraged to send in their late ballots, following a last minute strategic ballot harvesting ploy targeted at key locations.

    The disastrous ruling of the Supreme Court allowing three-day late ballots to be counted, will encourage a whole post-election drive to harvest ballots precisely in those precincts where the known data is already in from election night. The push to throw the election for Biden post facto will focus largely on those precincts within particular communities, within swing states. The problem for Biden has been the lack of a ground campaign and any sort of excitement.

    This means we should expect a very big controlled-media scandal to captivate headlines right after the election. Whether or not this will actually motivate post facto *voting* is beside the point. It most only be a semi-credible narrative that will explain why hundreds of thousands of voters turned out starting November 4th to cast their late ballots organically, even as in fact these will have been the result of targeted ballot harvesting.
    Why Antifa*s *Communists* Are Actually Fascists

    1. It Doesn*t Matter What You Call Yourself

    Many Antifa members, as well as the BLM leadership, call themselves Marxists, and because this self-declaration is also convenient for their conservative opponents, these self-descriptions go unchallenged.

    Likewise in terms of its membership, fascist movements a hundred years ago were largely drawn from workers and small business owners who saw themselves as socialists and liberal-progressives. People do not fit into easy categories, and besides socialism and liberal-progressivism were a mix of both enlightenment and romantic ideas relating to both myth and utopia.

    What defined them as fascists in Marxian terms was not the self-professed utopian, futurist, religious, socialist, or reactionary beliefs of this or that member of the movement, but by the objective material and financial reality of being backed by the plutocracy against the public, itself. All the while posing as guardians of the public.

    Marxian analytic tools demonstrate that the same as true of Antifa in the U.S. today. The conservative right has long enjoyed throwing around the term *socialist* and *Marxist*, especially *cultural Marxism*, to denounce their opponents within the Democrat Party, and this has the inverse effect of drawing elements of the populist and radical left who have no relation to the ruling plutocracy within the DNC, towards down-ballot DNC politics and Antifa protest-riots.

    We cannot characterize a party or movement by the plurality socioeconomic class of its members in a vacuum. Otherwise both the Democrats and Republicans are *labor parties*.
    2. We Already Proved That Antifa Is Financed by the Plutocracy

    Indeed, Antifa in the U.S. has become a plutocrat-financed fascistic movement if we are using any Marxian metric. This seems counter-intuitive, for after all they profess themselves to be antifascist, and the fascists they are opposed to are allegedly the *basket of deplorables* that back Trump. This means we need to set aside the institutionally approved (Eco, Griffin, et al) definitions of fascism, ultimately liberal ones in service of the status quo, to arrive at any meaningful definition of any utility. The academic institutions themselves are compromised with regard to these matters.

    This is why in our piece *How Can the Deep State*s Antifa Organization Be Stopped?* we showed the plutocrat financed NGO industrial complex through organizations like Democracy Alliance, was the defining base of Antifa activism * what Marxian analysis has always held, far and above, as defining the objective nature of a movement, and not its self-professions nor characterizations by their opponents.

    Marxian analysis requires that we assess a movement by a.) Its material base, meaning which class empowers it and makes it possible (finances it) and b.) In whose class interest they work to empower. The answer for both here is the plutocracy. Because they pose as *revolutionary left* but are in fact plutocratic, means they are fascist.

    Marxian analytic tools must be salvaged from today*s *Marxists*, as these are as prescient as they are timely. They go farther to explain the 4th Turning, the 4th Industrial Revolution, the declining rate of profit, the internet of things and 3D printing, and the potential for a future economy based on the natural right of liberty and human dignity, both in the world and of the soul. But its vulgar misrepresentation as the ideology of Antifa and BLM serves the purpose, perhaps intentionally, of turning-off tens of millions of Americans who could otherwise see what is useful within the analytic framework of class and economic development through history.
    3. Their Tactics Are Taken From Fascism

    Of course the fascism of Antifa is visible to many, because of its gang-stalking and arson, the mob intimidation of citizens and small businesses to support this nascent totalitarian movement. To force passersby to raise the fist just as eighty-five years ago, Germans and Italians were identically forced to give the Roman salute, is only a corroborating piece of anecdata, and not the root of the reasoning that Antifa is fascist in nature.

    But insofar as the Antifa mob and BLM leadership situates itself ostensibly in Marxism, this is perhaps even more dangerous for the reasons we*ve explained. And yet it is Marxian analysis itself which is best suited to demonstrate that even at a theoretical level, Antifa is fascist.

    The owning class weary of radical economic changes and a rising *right-wing* populist movement which itself is fixated on economic issues historically associated with the left, deploys the very same *victims of modernity* (war veterans, permanently unemployed of all ages, workers, vagabonds, indebted students, adventurers, petty thieves and released criminals) to bring its definition of order out of chaos by operationalizing the chaos and the chaotic tendencies of its minions.

    Unlike the old left, rooted in radically independent organized labor, Antifa*s leadership and activities, to the contrary, are financed through billionaire oligarchs both directly and indirectly, like George Soros and Michael Bloomberg.

    Likewise we cannot characterize something as *fascist* by its explicit beliefs or by views that may be projected onto them, but rather by the class that operationalizes them, and towards what end. Race, nationality, ethnicity, religion * these are but superstructural permutations of the givens of a time and place. Here is, among many other places, where Umberto Eco and Roger Griffin and those in their image are critically errant in understanding fascism. Fascism is a matter of methods, of tactics, and of financing * not of symbols, explicit ideology, or specific positions on culture-war (wedge) issues.

    That said, Griffin*s point that fascism no longer has the ability to mobilize a mass movement in the way it did prior to WWII, but that it can carry on as a smaller phenomenon that can inspire terrorism, is agreed. Many of his reasons for stating so are incorrect, even if this conclusion is apt.
    4. Antifa Punches Down, the Historic Labor Left Punches Up

    Both the traditional radical left and fascist right were proponents of violence towards political goals, even if in self-defense, but the traditional radical left used to focus on *punching up*: Attacking capital, the ruling class, the banks, big land owners.

    But historic fascism in its late-nascent stage is more similar to Maoism during the Cultural Revolution (there*s a strong New Left orientation to Maoism as well). It organizes and concentrates power by *punching down*.

    This dangerous fascistic trend among what has come to be known as *the left*. At the level of universities, it began in the late 90*s when coastal university classrooms became *call-out sessions*. It moved into mass culture through venture-capital funded click-bait websites like Buzzfeed and Jezebel. Of course all of these antics would have been unrecognizably alien to militant rank-and-file labor union members in decades past.

    That Antifa punches down and that mainstream media echoes their talking points, and that public service announcements are increasingly indistinguishable from Antifa propaganda, is a clear sign of its fascist essence. Punching down is always from a position of power, and its appropriation by the overt sections of power is a clear sign that their ideas have become what the French Marxist Althousser called the Ideological State Apparatus: That anything and everything outside of nebulous, ever-changing shibboleths (i.e. *community standards*) can potentially be called *fascist* as a justification for *cancel culture* and black-listing, is precisely that which the growing *illiberal liberalism* of the plutocrats indeed flourishes on.

    Pro-systemic propaganda punches down. Anti-systemic propaganda punches up. It*s an equation as simple as it is true.
    5. Like Fascists, Antifa Relies on Support from Local Law Enforcement, Local Business, and an Entrenched Local Political Class to Place Them *Above the Law*

    Perhaps you*ve seen old film reel of Nazis in the 1920*s in paramilitary uniform, long before they had official power in the governmental sense, seemingly able to physically attack those they wanted at whim, without local authorities intervening. From a position of power, from local friendly police departments, business interests, and politicians who at the very least *look the other way*, Antifa * like its fascist counterpart * is able to get away of enforcing its power on a down vertical. Road-blocks, riots, home-burnings, against the general public * all with local official support. Their aim is to coerce from the public a fear-based passivity and conformity to the politics of their program.

    It matters very little in this sense, that they call themselves Antifa. While history moves in one direction, and historical parallels are fraught with contradictions, Antifa today in the most simple terms is recruited and built from that disenfranchised and permanently unemployed hodgepodge of people of various socioeconomic backgrounds, along with thrill-seeking youth (in that age-old quest for meaning, purpose, and identity) which formed the bulk of fascist mobs in the teens and twenties a hundred years ago in Europe.

    When we understand that their ability to operate *above the law* in many cases, find large groups of philanthropically minded lawyer*s groups (like the National Lawyers* Guild) to work to have their charges dropped, district attorneys who are lenient, and the media industrial complex including monopoly social media, all work in coordinated fashion to enable the Antifa organization.
    6. Their Violence Has Not Once Been in Defense of Labor Strikes and Pickets

    Their methods and tactics are entirely uninvolved in labor *general strike* type strategies that would more correctly characterize them as traditionally leftist. As seen above, rather, their methods are taken solely from the rise of fascism. Their material financial base, as well as their methods and tactics are fascist, as we have shown. Legitimate left-wing movements arise from, and are materially (financially) rooted in organized labor at its base. The various superstuctural manifestations along the ideological plane, whether nationalist, fascist, social-democratic, communists, anarchist, etc., are not * in the final analysis * determinative of the class and socio-economic nature of its (conscious or not) *leftism* in terms of its relation to organized labor.
    7. Their Cancel-Culture and Voter Disenfranchisement Campaign is Against Democracy

    This critical in separating Antifa from historical bourgeois-democratic movements. In Marxian terms, in the transition from feudal modes of production to capitalist modes of production, the plutocracy helped arm and organize workers and peasants, the poor and disenfranchised, to overthrow the feudal nobility and usher in an history period characterized by bourgeois-democratic liberties and freedoms, which have come to characterize the *western tradition* in modernity. Antifa is not a bourgeois-democratic movement because the U.S. is not a feudal, nor semi-feudal country, and also because their actions work against the existing rights to association and speech (cancel-culture), and work against enfranchisement as they have been operationalized towards a ballot harvesting scheme.

    Concluding Commentary

    The views of Griffin and Eco focus overwhelmingly upon the superstructural manifestations of the fascism of a century ago, so much so that Eco*s attempt to uncover an *Ur-fascism*, or generalized theory of identifying fascism, is an utter failure. Rather, Marxian analysis demonstrates that both historical fascism regardless of name as well as contemporary movements of the same essence are defined not by these superstructural manifestations (ideology, aesthetics, etc.) but rather by its driving base in terms of socio-economic class (economic foundation, private property, capital.

    Election night and the weeks to follow will be met with a wave of violence larger than seen before. It will be difficult for those remaining on the left to understand that the Antifa foot soldiers are agents of capital, and not of labor. This is largely because of the gradual takeover of the left by new-left identity politics which crept slowly, and then rapidly, with May of 1968 and the Situationist moment being a key signifier.

    We know that the FBI*s field offices which historically have infiltrated radical left-groups are also compromised, because we would otherwise see these FBI agents * whose work is often to act as agents provocateurs * to act as de-escalating agents urging calm from within the ranks of these fascistic Antifa outfits. We have not seen this, which is a key sign that the FBI at the very top is wrought with complicit activity, which incidentally is another piece of evidence in 5., above.

    Perhaps it is ironic that Marxian analysis itself is best able to demonstrate that Antifa * whose members often describe themselves as Marxists (socialists, communists, etc.) * is in fact fascist.

    The defense of the republic, of the bourgeois-democratic revolutionary gains of 1776-89 which were expanded in 1865, today rests upon election integrity, voter enfranchisement, and in a strange twist of fate, the Justice Department under AG Barr.
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    And water is wet. They're the anti-fascist fascists.


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    I looked at the thread title, after the criminal actions of antifa over the past couple of years I'm a little surprised that it's considered "news".
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