Kyle Rittenhouse, Kenosha, Wisconsin update thread.

[win67]

Ha, gun charges to be dropped because the judges are having trouble interpreting the laws themselves.

Don't worry, all the news articles will still say Kyle was illegally in possession of an illegally high-powered illegal assault rifle

[GunLawyer001]

Ha, gun charges to be dropped because the judges are having trouble interpreting the laws themselves.

If they're anything like PA's gun laws, they don't consider a rifle to be a "firearm" for many purposes.

Our laws prohibit transporting a firearm in a vehicle without an LTCF, but for that purpose, a rifle isn't a "firearm".

Our laws also prohibit broad categories of prohibited persons from possessing firearms, and for that purpose, a rifle IS a firearm, because they re-defined it in that statute.

So if it's illegal to provide a minor with a "firearm" in Wisconsin, you have to look at the definition applicable to that particular statute.

[GunLawyer001]

(Wisconsin)
948.60* Possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18.
(1)* In this section, *dangerous weapon" means any firearm, loaded or unloaded; any electric weapon, as defined in s. 941.295 (1c) (a); metallic knuckles or knuckles of any substance which could be put to the same use with the same or similar effect as metallic knuckles; a nunchaku or any similar weapon consisting of 2 sticks of wood, plastic or metal connected at one end by a length of rope, chain, wire or leather; a cestus or similar material weighted with metal or other substance and worn on the hand; a shuriken or any similar pointed star-like object intended to injure a person when thrown; or a manrikigusari or similar length of chain having weighted ends.
(2)*
948.60(2)(a)
(a) Any person under 18 years of age who possesses or goes armed with a dangerous weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor.
(b) Except as provided in par. (c), any person who intentionally sells, loans or gives a dangerous weapon to a person under 18 years of age is guilty of a Class I felony.
(c) Whoever violates par. (b) is guilty of a Class H felony if the person under 18 years of age under par. (b) discharges the firearm and the discharge causes death to himself, herself or another.
(d) A person under 17 years of age who has violated this subsection is subject to the provisions of ch. 938 unless jurisdiction is waived under s. 938.18 or the person is subject to the jurisdiction of a court of criminal jurisdiction under s. 938.183.
(3)*
(a) This section does not apply to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a dangerous weapon when the dangerous weapon is being used in target practice under the supervision of an adult or in a course of instruction in the traditional and proper use of the dangerous weapon under the supervision of an adult. This section does not apply to an adult who transfers a dangerous weapon to a person under 18 years of age for use only in target practice under the adult's supervision or in a course of instruction in the traditional and proper use of the dangerous weapon under the adult's supervision.
(b) This section does not apply to a person under 18 years of age who is a member of the armed forces or national guard and who possesses or is armed with a dangerous weapon in the line of duty. This section does not apply to an adult who is a member of the armed forces or national guard and who transfers a dangerous weapon to a person under 18 years of age in the line of duty.
(c) This section applies only to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a rifle or a shotgun if the person is in violation of s. 941.28 or is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593. This section applies only to an adult who transfers a firearm to a person under 18 years of age if the person under 18 years of age is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593 or to an adult who is in violation of s. 941.28.

[GunLawyer001]

939.22 Words and phrases defined. In chs. 939 to 948 and 951, the following words and phrases have the designated meanings unless the context of a specific section manifestly requires a different construction or the word or phrase is defined in s. 948.01 for purposes of ch. 948:

(2). . . .

(10) “Dangerous weapon" means any firearm, whether loaded or unloaded; any device designed as a weapon and capable of producing death or great bodily harm; any ligature or other instrumentality used on the throat, neck, nose, or mouth of another person to impede, partially or completely, breathing or circulation of blood; any electric weapon, as defined in s. 941.295 (1c) (a); or any other device or instrumentality which, in the manner it is used or intended to be used, is calculated or likely to produce death or great bodily harm.

[alpacaheat]

Got a source? I can't find one searching for it. I heard they were likely to be dropped, but nothing official yet.

The video in the post above my comment.

[scruff]

If I understand correctly, the defense is saying there are two Wisconsin laws that restrict minors from possessing certain types of guns, and neither law applies to Kyle and his AR. One of them is a hunting law. The libtard response is "He wasn't hunting, derp!" Nobody said he was, freakin libtards.

Kyle Rittenhouse: Hunting Laws Allowed 17-Year-old To Have Gun at Protest [Report]
by Jacquelyn Gray
October 8, 2021
https://www.crimeonline.com/2021/10/...rotest-report/

Lawyers for Kyle Rittenhouse, who was 17 when he allegedly fatally shot two people during last year*s protest in Wisconsin, argued in court on Tuesday that hunting laws allowed Rittenhouse to carry weapons.

Kenosha County Circuit Judge Bruce Schroeder denied the defense*s request to have a weapons charge dismissed. Defense attorney Corey Chirafisi argued that the law only bars minors from carrying short-barreled rifles, and Rittenhouse, 18, had an AR-style semiautomatic rifle with a 16-inch barrel on the night of the shooting, according to Kenosha News.

Chirasfisi also claimed that the only other provision involving minors possessing firearms pertain to hunting statutes which prohibit minors younger than 12 from hunting with guns * which does not apply to Rittenhouse since he was 17 at the time.

However, Judge Schroeder sided with Assistant District Attorney Thomas Binger*s opinion that the law intends to prevent minors from having guns and that the hunting statute does not apply in this case because Rittenhouse was not hunting at the Kenosha protest.

*The defendant wasn*t hunting deer, turkey, wild game. He didn*t have a certificate to do so. He wasn*t in compliance,* Binger said, according to Kenosha News.

Rittenhouse is charged with intentional homicide, attempted homicide, reckless homicide, recklessly endangering safety, and possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18, for allegedly fatally shooting Joesph Rosenbaum, 36, and Anthony Huber, 26, during an August 25, 2020, protest in Kenosha.

The teen is also accused of shooting a third person who survived. At the time of the deadly shooting, demonstrators were protesting the officer-related shooting of Jacob Blake.

Rittenhouse, then 17, allegedly used an AR-15-style to carry out the deadly shooting. Rittenhouse claimed while at the protest, he was hit in the head and neck with a baseball bat and skateboard. While medics reportedly observed superficial scratches on his arm, they did not see any bruising or cuts.

Rittenhouse surrendered to police in Antioch, Illinois, a day after the deadly shooting. He was extradited to Wisconsin last October.

Rittenhouse*s trial is scheduled to begin on November 1.

[imashooter2]

If I understand correctly, the defense is saying there are two Wisconsin laws that restrict minors from possessing certain types of guns, and neither law applies to Kyle and his AR. One of them is a hunting law. The libtard response is "He wasn't hunting, derp!" Nobody said he was, freakin libtards.

Kyle Rittenhouse: Hunting Laws Allowed 17-Year-old To Have Gun at Protest [Report]
by Jacquelyn Gray
October 8, 2021
https://www.crimeonline.com/2021/10/...rotest-report/

Lawyers for Kyle Rittenhouse, who was 17 when he allegedly fatally shot two people during last year*s protest in Wisconsin, argued in court on Tuesday that hunting laws allowed Rittenhouse to carry weapons.

Kenosha County Circuit Judge Bruce Schroeder denied the defense*s request to have a weapons charge dismissed. Defense attorney Corey Chirafisi argued that the law only bars minors from carrying short-barreled rifles, and Rittenhouse, 18, had an AR-style semiautomatic rifle with a 16-inch barrel on the night of the shooting, according to Kenosha News.

Chirasfisi also claimed that the only other provision involving minors possessing firearms pertain to hunting statutes which prohibit minors younger than 12 from hunting with guns * which does not apply to Rittenhouse since he was 17 at the time.

However, Judge Schroeder sided with Assistant District Attorney Thomas Binger*s opinion that the law intends to prevent minors from having guns and that the hunting statute does not apply in this case because Rittenhouse was not hunting at the Kenosha protest.

*The defendant wasn*t hunting deer, turkey, wild game. He didn*t have a certificate to do so. He wasn*t in compliance,* Binger said, according to Kenosha News.

Rittenhouse is charged with intentional homicide, attempted homicide, reckless homicide, recklessly endangering safety, and possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18, for allegedly fatally shooting Joesph Rosenbaum, 36, and Anthony Huber, 26, during an August 25, 2020, protest in Kenosha.

The teen is also accused of shooting a third person who survived. At the time of the deadly shooting, demonstrators were protesting the officer-related shooting of Jacob Blake.

Rittenhouse, then 17, allegedly used an AR-15-style to carry out the deadly shooting. Rittenhouse claimed while at the protest, he was hit in the head and neck with a baseball bat and skateboard. While medics reportedly observed superficial scratches on his arm, they did not see any bruising or cuts.

Rittenhouse surrendered to police in Antioch, Illinois, a day after the deadly shooting. He was extradited to Wisconsin last October.

Rittenhouse*s trial is scheduled to begin on November 1.

The law INTENDS!?!? The law either prohibits or it doesn*t.

[GunLawyer001]

If I understand correctly, the defense is saying there are two Wisconsin laws that restrict minors from possessing certain types of guns, and neither law applies to Kyle and his AR. One of them is a hunting law. The libtard response is "He wasn't hunting, derp!" Nobody said he was, freakin libtards.
. . .

It looks to me like the charge would be a minor possessing a "dangerous weapon", which is defined to include any firearm, but the statutes don't appear to define "firearm". I could be wrong, I didn't spend more than 5 minutes looking at their laws today. Plenty of states don't include long guns as "firearms", and that ambiguity is supposed to be resolved in favor of the defendant.

[JenniferG]

They will use every weasel word in the book to convict this young man. They will select a jury from a pool of marxist bedwetters that ride to the trial on skateboards and electric cars.

[Sgt.K]

They will use every weasel word in the book to convict this young man. They will select a jury from a pool of marxist bedwetters that ride to the trial on skateboards and electric cars.

Wouldn't anyone on a skateboard have a conflict of interest, considering Kyle was struck by one?

Inquiring minds...