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    I saw a post from a fellow member (jadiff ) asking about Less than lethal options when dealing with groups of citizens causing what the mainstream media calls protesting. it got me thinking. my post to the question is below, but what if any plans / ideas am i missing? inquring minds want to know.
    thanks for any ideas / plans you can share.

    "perfect time of year for hot peppers. and a good year for them as well. get the nastiest you can find, ghost,Carolina Reaper, ect. fill a pot full of them, boil, let sit a day or two and drain. 3 or 4 gallons will do. put into emepty milk jugs. if you dont already have one, build a potato gun, learn how to use it, aim it, not hard to reach 100 yards or better. buy a few extra cans of cheap hair spray, a 100 pack of paper cups that the base will fit into the barrel,and balloons. cut the cups leangth wise to just before the base so they will fit down the barrel like a shot cup, i use a cheap Leather Bota Bag - (Spanish Wine Skin $11.99 at walmart) to fill the balloons with the peperjuice. use a cut piece of the barrel ( mine is 2 inch PVC pipe) as a guide to make sure the water ballon will fit into the cup and slide down the barrel. give the barrel a shot of pam every 5 shots or so, and whala, you now have a potato / water balloon/ concentrated peper juice launching cannon. the cup keeps the filled balloon for breaking as it leaves the barrel like a shotgun wad protects the shot from being deformed from the barrell. me an my buddys launch water ballons at each other across the lake at our cabins. Put a screw in the base of the barrel to keep the shotcup from sliding into the expansion chamber of the cannon. also, get a dog or 2, to keep people back while your reloading your cannon.
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    run.
    that is my suggestion.

    run faster than the betas.
    you're not taking on a crowd with any portable LTL and expecting it to be effective, maybe an ultrasonic weapon mounted on a vehicle or a water cannon, on a vehicle.
    "These are the times that try men's souls" - Thomas Paine
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    Quote Originally Posted by fallenleader View Post
    run.
    that is my suggestion.

    run faster than the betas.
    you're not taking on a crowd with any portable LTL and expecting it to be effective, maybe an ultrasonic weapon mounted on a vehicle or a water cannon, on a vehicle.
    so I can tell you from professional experience, microwaves are for open air, ultrasonic is for under water...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bugout View Post
    so I can tell you from professional experience, microwaves are for open air, ultrasonic is for under water...
    that. use that one.
    and you are correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fallenleader View Post
    that. use that one.
    and you are correct.
    Shot gun...Rock Salt
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    Quote Originally Posted by DonBiase View Post
    Shot gun...Rock Salt
    why would anyone take a weapon that is always empty to a crowd?
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    Firearms are not 100% lethal.
    I don't speak English , I talk American!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fallenleader View Post
    why would anyone take a weapon that is always empty to a crowd?
    Pumps, and doubles, have been used for YEARS against crowds.

    The shotgun is one of the most devastating Close Range weapons known to man, short of the hand grenade.

    The spread at 20/30 feet is devastating.
    Plus the indiscriminate nature of the shotgun is terrifying.

    Keep your distance from the crowd.

    Further...who want's to be the one to start the rush?

    Personally. I'd rather have two or three guys armed with shotguns than guys with rifles, or handguns.

    If you don't know what to expect...bring a hand gun.
    If you're expecting a "social" occasion, at a distance, bring a long gun.
    If you're expecting a Close range "social" encounter...Bring a Street Howitzer.

    For those who don't reload, use "Birdshot" rather then buckshot or slugs.
    If and when it gets to court, the use of "lesser" loads may show that you were trying to defend yourself while not trying to Kill Anyone.
    The effect of "skip shooting" on a crowd is well known.
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    Less than lethal for rioters? I prefer more than lethal.......

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    They have been making rubber buckshot for many years now for less than lethal rioting but what's the point? If you're trying to quell rioting less than lethal means they'll be back. Just remember this though if patriots decide to riot the police will be ordered to shoot to kill. There will be no less than lethal used.
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