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    Default Re: LTCF Clarification

    in another way of saying it, an LTCF does cover all firearms but rifles/shotguns are not considered firearms rather long guns by definition.
    just the same as long guns can be sold privately without a background check but firearms require one.
    and an AR must be unloaded in a car but an AR pistol can remain loaded with an ltcf.

    most of this was stated already and it was also my understanding. but the lawyer is the one to listen to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by icp4life162005 View Post
    If it has wheels and is used in any way to convey travel, it can and will be used against you.

    Just like DUIs on your own property, mowing the grass while drinking a beer. (Numerous people have been charged for that)

    Skateboards and rollerblades would even qualify.
    A lib would even count someone pushing you in a wheelbarrow.
    Horse too. Any conveyance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fallenleader View Post
    in another way of saying it, an LTCF does cover all firearms but rifles/shotguns are not considered firearms rather long guns by definition.
    just the same as long guns can be sold privately without a background check but firearms require one.
    and an AR must be unloaded in a car but an AR pistol can remain loaded with an ltcf.

    most of this was stated already and it was also my understanding. but the lawyer is the one to listen to.
    In this context. The definition of firearms changes with context. Some circumstances long guns are defined as firearms. Also non shot gun shotguns and nfa fall under ltcf. Pistol versions of rifles also. However carry things you wouldn't mind being locked up in evidence rooms, is my advice. Ianal
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunsnwater View Post
    In this context. The definition of firearms changes with context. Some circumstances long guns are defined as firearms. Also non shot gun shotguns and nfa fall under ltcf. Pistol versions of rifles also. However carry things you wouldn't mind being locked up in evidence rooms, is my advice. Ianal
    wise advise.
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    Default Re: LTCF Clarification

    There is even a sticky (does anyone actually pay attention to those?) in the General sub-forum about what does the word "firearms" mean in various sections of the laws:
    Definitions of "Firearms"
    https://forum.pafoa.org/showthread.php?t=49643

    In particular, for purposes related to the LTCF, "firearms" means:

    PA Title 18 Chapter 61 (Uniform Firearms Act)
    Section 6102 Definitions


    Firearm: "Any pistol or revolver with a barrel length less than 15 inches, any shotgun with a barrel length less than 16 inches, or ant pistol, revolver, rifle or shotgun with an overall length of less than 26 inches. The barrel length of a firearm shall be determined by measuring from the muzzle of the barrel to the face of the closed action, bolt or cylinder, whichever is applicable."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fortytwo View Post
    There is even a sticky (does anyone actually pay attention to those?) in the General sub-forum about what does the word "firearms" mean in various sections of the laws:
    Definitions of "Firearms"
    https://forum.pafoa.org/showthread.php?t=49643

    In particular, for purposes related to the LTCF, "firearms" means:
    Yeah, but the whole SOE situation certainly creates confusion. Since 2018, you need the LTCF to even carry "long guns", but even so, you still cannot have them loaded in/on a vehicle. It's certainly not surprising that so many people don't have a clear picture of what the law requires.
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    Point well taken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zachomega View Post
    Not being funny... What is vehicle defined as? Atv? Bicycle? Wagon? Skateboard?

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    I dont have the text on hand, but it amounts to any mode of transportation. ...car, truck, motorcycle, bicycle, skateboard, tractor, lawmower, horse, horse & buggy, etc, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gnbrotz View Post
    you still cannot have them loaded in/on a vehicle.
    PA is pretty decent in the gun law dept, but this one is just plain retarded. Never understood the point other than "control".
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    Never understood the point other than "control".
    For the children, safer streets, all that shit.
    Constitutional recognition of gun rights has become Demoncratted

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