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October 28th, 2008, 12:27 AM #21
Re: Very unpleasant experience at Ready, Aim, Fire range in Bucks
"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death! " - Patrick Henry
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October 28th, 2008, 12:30 AM #22
Re: Very unpleasant experience at Ready, Aim, Fire range in Bucks
I got a question about ranges. So do you take turns when you shoot with other people. Or can you fire at will. Also do you have to tell people you are firing before you start shooting your gun? Thanks
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October 28th, 2008, 12:48 AM #23
Re: Very unpleasant experience at Ready, Aim, Fire range in Bucks
lol, I didn't receive any negative rep for these questions......you guys are too nice. This situation really did occur and NO I would not jeopardize my RKBA over this knucklehead's actions.
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October 28th, 2008, 01:00 AM #24Grand Member
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October 28th, 2008, 01:30 AM #25
Re: Very unpleasant experience at Ready, Aim, Fire range in Bucks
This just happens to be my local range, so I may be biased... but here goes:
In all the time I've been a member there, the staff has been very professional and extremely safety conscious. I've seen people ejected for less grievous offenses. That's why I'm shocked that the staff didn't take any action upon witnessing something asserious as what you describe. That being said, there where a few newer employees there on my last few visits. These folks remain an unknown quantity to me at this time.
Call them soon. Ask to speak to Joe (the owner) or Mark (the manager). Both of them, in all my experience, are stand-up guys who don't put up with any horse****. Describe your concerns to them in detail (though I'd suggest that you leave out the part where you had briefly contemplated executing one of their customers). I'm sure that they will lend an appreciative ear to your comments.
And truth be told, even I stay out of there on weekends whenever possible. Try them on a weekday... it's a different experience. That's the downside to running a public facility... you really can't choose your public.
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October 28th, 2008, 02:17 AM #26
Re: Very unpleasant experience at Ready, Aim, Fire range in Bucks
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October 28th, 2008, 02:55 AM #27
Re: Very unpleasant experience at Ready, Aim, Fire range in Bucks
I sure hope not...
This is one of the many reasons why I try to not be around hardly any people when I go out to train. Havent been in a while, but, that's another story. I would really like to know where the range officer was, and why these young kids were allowed to rent a machine gun. I also would like to know, what are their posted range rules. Range flags, shooter on the line call outs? Their guardian rent that gun for them? Because along with the range officer if they were there, they ought to have their ass kicked too. Anyplace that can allow just any 18 year old to rent a machine gun, is really not the kind of range I want to frequent without any supervision. I would REALLY mention this to the owners of the facility.
Know what times to frequent places, and know when not to. Jackasses like these give responsible and safe gun owners a bad name. No wonder we recieve such bad publicity..Last edited by Konsukah_19; October 28th, 2008 at 03:01 AM.
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October 28th, 2008, 05:19 AM #28
Re: Very unpleasant experience at Ready, Aim, Fire range in Bucks
So if I understand this correctly, you saw an unsafe condition and turned a blind eye to it. Basically, you were too scared to approach the group on your own so you placed your own safety in the hands of the range officer, a person, who by your own accord, was not doing his job properly. And then you seem almost enthusiastic about using deadly force.
If you truly think deadly force would be justifiable in that situation then you really need to take some good training classes. Any prosecutor with half a brain would destroy your defense with very little effort. Hell, your defense can't even stand up on here.
If the RO was not doing his job then you should have stepped in. The RO at my local range said he has had guns pointed at him so many times that he is used to it. When he sees someone do something that is unsafe he tells them what they did wrong and he then demonstrates the proper method and watches the person until they utilize the proper technique. You can't simply tell them what to do and walk away. Stay there and follow-up on it to make sure they are acting safely and they understand what they are supposed to do. Doing something as simple as that would have only taken a few minutes, it would have prevented this situation from happening and it may have even taught them something.
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October 28th, 2008, 05:29 AM #29
Re: Very unpleasant experience at Ready, Aim, Fire range in Bucks
TC, first thing I'd like to say, be very careful what you say/post on a public forum, heat of the moment or not your words can come back to haunt you. As we have seen, if you followed recent OC cases, this forum is monitored.
Secondly, if/when you see unsafe conditions at a range you (we) need to report it immediately, even if we think the RO was in full view of the incident. Although his/her face may have been looking thru the glass it doesn't mean they were seeing what you were.
You say these people were kids, probably excited about shooting, and as us older folks know, kids really don't know it all, and need to be shown how things are/work. The excitement of going out to shoot if you're relatively new to the sport can and does overtake common sense at times. Remember we were all kids/green once and until we were taught proper safety we may have made the same mistakes, intentional or not .
If you truly fear for your safety by all means get out of there, but please, pass on your concerns to the people in charge on your way out. We need to be able to police ourselves as responsible gun owners so accidents don't happen, so that the few ranges that are left aren't closed because of public outcry over stupidity.
Just a few things to think about, not judging your actions.
Bill
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October 28th, 2008, 09:38 AM #30
Re: Very unpleasant experience at Ready, Aim, Fire range in Bucks
My own experiences at RAF have been good ones. The one time I saw the MG being rented a staffer was with the group showing them what to do. As another poster said I do the same....check out what's going on before I unpack. For me, one tell-tale sign of general range safety is looking behind and above the fire line for bullet holes. Check out the walls too....lots of skidmarks there will also indicate some unsafe shooters. Once in the booth I always observe my fellow lane holders for a moment. Several times in my life I have reported negative actions....as I'm leaving before I was finished.
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