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    Default Re: Tac-14 Concealed/Transport

    It is an "other firearm" under the GCA'68 to how FFL's must deal with them.

    It is a "firearm" under PA law, so a FFL must fill out the state police form, and you have a duty when selling to have a background check performed on the buyer. Anything declared a "firearm" under PA law is treated like handguns, requiring a LTCF to merely have in your vehicle, or carry concealed. ...which means if you do have a LTCF, you can carry it loaded in a vehicle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by USMC3531 View Post
    The 26" oal is an arbitrary number they came up with as "to big to conceal" and is the only thing keeping these out of the aow category. They can also decide at anytime that there is no legit "sporting purpose " and make them destructive devices. So imo dont push it if you want this style of firearm to stay available.
    Yep, that 26" is horseshit with AOW's. There is no overall measurement in law. Some dumbass at the ATF misunderstood the "concealed/concealable" aspect which is meant towards disguised guns (a gun that looks like a cactus, etc). But in all, that dumbass determination is in our favor, for now.
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    Default Re: Tac-14 Concealed/Transport

    So who*s going to be the first to take a deer with a Shockwave / Nightstick / TAC-14? Given the size of the firearms they should excel on hunts in heavy brush. That would ideally settle the *sporting* argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cruzie27 View Post
    So who*s going to be the first to take a deer with a Shockwave / Nightstick / TAC-14? Given the size of the firearms they should excel on hunts in heavy brush. That would ideally settle the *sporting* argument.
    Fudd heads would surely explode. Plus, I think you would have a hard time arguing that it was a shotgun and not a shotgun at the same time.
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    So even AR pistols are fine to carry loaded in a car with a LTCF, didnt know that. Would an AR pistol with an 11.5 inch barrel and SBA 4 brace be within the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cruzie27 View Post
    So who*s going to be the first to take a deer with a Shockwave / Nightstick / TAC-14? Given the size of the firearms they should excel on hunts in heavy brush. That would ideally settle the *sporting* argument.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z7shQkL8FO4&t=4s


    I picked up a crap-ton of slugs to practice for this deer season. I might even carry it for a day bear hunting. Would be great for tight brush!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Will3212 View Post
    So even AR pistols are fine to carry loaded in a car with a LTCF, didnt know that. Would an AR pistol with an 11.5 inch barrel and SBA 4 brace be within the law.
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    Default Re: Tac-14 Concealed/Transport

    Quote Originally Posted by Will3212 View Post
    So even AR pistols are fine to carry loaded in a car with a LTCF, didnt know that. Would an AR pistol with an 11.5 inch barrel and SBA 4 brace be within the law.
    They sure are fine loaded in a vehicle with a LTCF, and a great platform for 95% of situations. Get a 12.5" and you can throw a VFG on too since we are talking AOWs and such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandcut View Post
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z7shQkL8FO4&t=4s


    I picked up a crap-ton of slugs to practice for this deer season. I might even carry it for a day bear hunting. Would be great for tight brush!
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    Default Re: Tac-14 Concealed/Transport

    I'm confused here. I see arguments both for and against carrying one of these loaded on your person/in a vehicle.

    The ATF letter seems to indicate concealed carry would be a problem, but then it seems PA definition of firearm noted here covers carry and being loaded in a vehicle under the authority of a LTCF.

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    Is there a specific case or point of reference for clarification on that point?

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