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    Default Has Trump been good for the 2nd? I say yes

    And he is worth voting for again. (I posted this elsewhere, but it gets to the core of why I think Trump is worth the vote for supporters of the 2nd so am reposting here)

    I think a lot people voted Trump as a defensive move against having a Democratic President. To be honest to look at whether Trump was worth it you have to look at what has not happened.

    1. The democrats did not get to replace Scalia and Ginsberg. They would have had at least two Supreme Court Justice picks..... Maybe 3. Because Trump won, Gorsuch and Kavenaugh were appointed. Like or hate what they*ve done they are better than anyone who Clinton would have put in. As far as the 2nd goes I think they are both solid. Unfortunately Roberts is the problem when it comes to the 2nd.

    If Clinton had become President, she would have replaced Scalia swinging the courts left. There is a good chance that she could have gotten a strong anti Candidate even with a Republican Senate. If she had won, there is a good chance that the Senate would have also of swung left all but ensuring a strong anti candidate. I have little doubt in my mind that they would have gotten rid of the filibuster to get a Scalia replacement on the court. If Clinton had won there is an extremely good chance that the court would be taking 2nd amendment cases...... and it would not bode well for the 2nd.

    That alone was worth not voting for a 3rd party candidate and voting for Trump to me. In addition there are over two hundred lower federal judge appointments that Hillary did not make. That is huge.


    By the way, the idea that he has not done anything for the 2nd is straight up bullshit. What he has done for the 2nd can be measured by what has not happened. My explanation below.

    Some say he has not done much for the 2nd. I disagree... once again based on defense. I am not happy with what he did on bumpstocks. But think about this. Las Vegas, Parkland, Orlando, Sutherland Springs all happened before February 2018 with Parkland being the last of those shootings. Hillary was chomping at the bits to take on the NRA and very outspoken against the 2nd. Can you imagine the overt assault on the 2nd we would have been dealing with the last couple of years if she had won.

    I honestly think that the 2nd would have been her big battle the way Health Care was Obama*s. I think that she would have used the bully pulpit and all her political capital on that fight. They were all horrible tragedies committed by scumbags, that she would have exploited at the detriment of all the millions of non scumbag gun owners. If Hillary had won, the pressure on the 2nd would have been much more intense than it was with her using every press meeting, every media outlet to call for changes to the 2nd. In my mind there is no doubt that enough Republicans would have crumbled for major 2nd changes to take place.

    Think about how Clinton would have used Parkland. Day after day, after day. I think it would have worked because it was such a tragedy. The scumbag who shot those kids would have given her the perfect opportunity to push for major anti legislation. Not just laws against bump stocks, but red flag laws, bans on certain types of gun, bans on certain size magazines, background checks for ammo, buybacks etc... I honestly think that if Trump had not won those things would have come to pass by now. There was a lot of pressure on the 2nd with Trump, it would have been off the scale with Hillary leading the charge if Trump was not elected. The conversations on this board would be completely different than they are.

    Discussion about who is going to register/turn in their guns. People calling for her head. People wondering how the country go to this point.... but the country did not get to that point because of Trump. I don*t think I am being unrealistic with my speculation. You want to know Trumps positive impact on the 2nd? For most of his 4 years we have had a break/renaissance as far as guns go, especially after Sandy Hood and Obama*s last 4 years.

    His impact has been creating a buyers market where people could buy the guns they want at crazy low prices. I built an ar Pistol for well under $250*s. Respected guns like 9mm shield*s could be had for $200, .45 shields for $225 and bodyguards for $180 at one point. Ar*s became cheaper than ak*s. You could get complete ar*s for under $400*s for most of his presidency. Ammo was plentiful and decently priced. Because Trump was elected, supporters of the 2nd could take the family and or friends out to the range, shoot a wide variety of guns with large quantities of ammo. The election of Trump gave supporters of the 2nd who knew things things would not last a chance to get guns they wanted and stock up on ammo without breaking the bank or constantly trying to find in stock items listed at insane prices. It took a pandemic with riots to change that environment.

    That is how Trump has been pro 2nd, his election created an environment where the market has been good to supporters of the 2nd instead of an environment where there may have well been major legislation against the 2nd passed.


    Would we have had the same environment under Hillary..... no not a chance in the world. Who has a better chance of returning America to that environment over the next 4 years, Biden/whichever democrat is running things or Trump? I hope the answer is obvious.

    Seriously though what did people expect Trump to do as far as the 2nd goes? He is one branch of the government. He had a Republican Congress that was basically working against him. He needs them to send pro 2nd legislation to him. And the truth of the matter is the 2nd is not a priority to many in the house and senate. In the house it was not a priority to Paul Ryan. In the Senate there is nowhere near a filibuster proof majority to pass pro gun legislation. Even if that had been the issue that Trump decided to spend his political capital on and use his bully pulpit for, each shooting would have been a Tsunami against the battle. He chose other issues, (Trade) as much as I support the 2nd, I do not fault him for his choice. The Orlando shooting happened in June of 2016, that with the flow other shootings kept there from being a good time to focus on pro gun legislation.

    Unfortunately Pro gun forces have a major hurdle. Every time something bad with guns happens And there is a mass shooting it gets plastered in the news. This gives an anti president firepower for the bully pulpit to press for anti changes.

    Most here know guns have made a positive difference for many. Look at the armed citizens thread if proof is needed. But unfortunately it*s hard to quantify how many lives are saved or mass shooting are avoided when an armed citizen does make a difference. An armed citizens may shoot a criminal who intends to do them harm. That criminal may well go on to commit many other crimes and harm many others if they were not stopped, but you can*t quantify that. An armed citizen may protect themselves and in the process keep a mass shooting from happening, but without people dying it*s speculation and does not have the same headline power as mass shooter kills 20. Antis are given constant ammo to use because it is easy to see negatives effects of people with guns right in front of you. Even though there are positive effects that can be seen when citizens use guns to stop harm from occurring, a lot of the impact require abstract thinking.


    I wish he had held out on bump stocks but he didn*t. I can either fixate on that, curse him, throw a tantrum and cast a vote that favors Biden in some way or get over it. I got over it because in the end getting over it is what is best for the 2nd. I know the statement seems counterintuitive but if people don*t get over bumpstocks and vote Trump, what is coming for the 2nd is not pretty.
    Proof Armed citizens make a difference. http://forum.pafoa.org/showthread.php?t=316012

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    Default Re: Has Trump been good for the 2nd? I say yes

    We have no choice. Red flag. Bumpstocks. Nothing on suppressors. Still have UN gun control hanging over our heads. Not a stellar performance. I guess jail reform and jobs for minorities took all his time. But yeah, we have on choice.
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    Well here*s what you*re looking at with a Biden presidency. Try to stifle your vomit as you read through it. You might even want to put a helmet on to contain your brains when your head explodes. Trump isn*t a Second Amendment purist, and hasn*t ushered in our 2A utopia, but this is what we*re going to get if Biden wins. For all those who refuse to vote for Trump because bumpstocks, while you*re filling out your Biden NFA forms and paying your $200 tax stamps to keep your ARs you can masturbate to the knowledge that you *didn*t compromise* by voting for Trump.

    https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/
    THE BIDEN PLAN TO END OUR GUN VIOLENCE EPIDEMIC
    In 1993, he shepherded through Congress the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, which established the background check system that has since kept more than 3 million firearms out of dangerous hands. In 1994, Biden * along with Senator Dianne Feinstein * secured the passage of 10-year bans on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. As president, Joe Biden will defeat the NRA again.
    Joe Biden also knows how to make progress on reducing gun violence using executive action. After the tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary School in 2012, President Obama tasked Vice President Biden with developing both legislative proposals and executive actions to make our communities safer. As a result of this effort, the Obama-Biden Administration took more than two dozen actions, including narrowing the so-called *gun show loophole,* increasing the number of records in the background check system, and expanding funding for mental health services.
    It*s within our grasp to end our gun violence epidemic and respect the Second Amendment, which is limited. Biden will:
    Hold gun manufacturers accountable. In 2005, then-Senator Biden voted against the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, but gun manufacturers successfully lobbied Congress to secure its passage. This law protects these manufacturers from being held civilly liable for their products * a protection granted to no other industry. Biden will prioritize repealing this protection.
    Get weapons of war off our streets. The bans on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines that Biden, along with Senator Feinstein, secured in 1994 reduced the lethality of mass shootings. But, in order to secure the passage of the bans, they had to agree to a 10-year sunset provision and when the time came, the Bush Administration failed to extend them. As president, Biden will:
    Ban the manufacture and sale of assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. Federal law prevents hunters from hunting migratory game birds with more than three shells in their shotgun. That means our federal law does more to protect ducks than children. It*s wrong. Joe Biden will enact legislation to once again ban assault weapons. This time, the bans will be designed based on lessons learned from the 1994 bans. For example, the ban on assault weapons will be designed to prevent manufacturers from circumventing the law by making minor changes that don*t limit the weapon*s lethality. While working to pass this legislation, Biden will also use his executive authority to ban the importation of assault weapons.
    Regulate possession of existing assault weapons under the National Firearms Act. Currently, the National Firearms Act requires individuals possessing machine-guns, silencers, and short-barreled rifles to undergo a background check and register those weapons with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). Due to these requirements, such weapons are rarely used in crimes. As president, Biden will pursue legislation to regulate possession of existing assault weapons under the National Firearms Act.
    Buy back the assault weapons and high-capacity magazines already in our communities. Biden will also institute a program to buy back weapons of war currently on our streets. This will give individuals who now possess assault weapons or high-capacity magazines two options: sell the weapons to the government, or register them under the National Firearms Act.
    Reduce stockpiling of weapons. In order to reduce the stockpiling of firearms, Biden supports legislation restricting the number of firearms an individual may purchase per month to one.
    Keep guns out of dangerous hands. The federal background check system (the National Instant Criminal Background Check System) is one of the best tools we have to prevent gun violence, but it*s only effective when it*s used. Biden will enact universal background check legislation and close other loopholes that allow people who should be prohibited from purchasing firearms from making those purchases. Specifically, he will:
    Require background checks for all gun sales. Today, an estimated 1 in 5 firearms are sold or transferred without a background check. Biden will enact universal background check legislation, requiring a background check for all gun sales with very limited exceptions, such as gifts between close family members. This will close the so-called *gun show and online sales loophole* that the Obama-Biden Administration narrowed, but which cannot be fully closed by executive action alone.
    Close other loopholes in the federal background check system. In addition to closing the *boyfriend loophole* highlighted below, Biden will:
    Reinstate the Obama-Biden policy to keep guns out of the hands of certain people unable to manage their affairs for mental reasons, which President Trump reversed. In 2016, the Obama-Biden Administration finalized a rule to make sure the Social Security Administration (SSA) sends to the background check system records that it holds of individuals who are prohibited from purchasing or possessing firearms because they have been adjudicated by the SSA as unable to manage their affairs for mental reasons. But one of the first actions Donald Trump took as president was to reverse this rule. President Biden will enact legislation to codify this policy.
    Close the *hate crime loophole.* Biden will enact legislation prohibiting an individual *who has been convicted of a misdemeanor hate crime, or received an enhanced sentence for a misdemeanor because of hate or bias in its commission* from purchasing or possessing a firearm.
    Close the *Charleston loophole.* The Charleston loophole allows people to complete a firearms purchase if their background check is not completed within three business days. Biden supports the proposal in the Enhanced Background Checks Act of 2019, which extends the timeline from three to 10 business days. Biden will also direct the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) to put on his desk within his first 100 days as president a report detailing the cases in which background checks are not completed within 10 business days and steps the federal government can take to reduce or eliminate this occurrence.
    Close the *fugitive from justice* loophole created by the Trump Administration. Because of actions by the Trump Administration, records of almost 500,000 fugitives from justice who are prohibited from purchasing firearms were deleted from the background check system. The Biden Administration will restore these records, and enact legislation to make clear that people facing arrest warrants are prohibited from purchasing or possessing firearms.
    End the online sale of firearms and ammunitions. Biden will enact legislation to prohibit all online sales of firearms, ammunition, kits, and gun parts.
    Create an effective program to ensure individuals who become prohibited from possessing firearms relinquish their weapons. Federal law defines categories of individuals who are prohibited from purchasing or possessing firearms, and the federal background check system is an effective tool for ensuring prohibited persons cannot purchase firearms. But we lack any serious tool to ensure that when someone becomes newly prohibited * for example, because they commit a violent crime * they relinquish possession of their firearms. There are some promising models for how this could be enforced. For example, California has a mandatory process for ensuring relinquishment by any individual newly subject to a domestic violence restraining order. As president, Biden will direct the FBI and ATF to outline a model relinquishment process, enact any necessary legislation to ensure relinquishment when individuals newly fall under one of the federal prohibitions, and then provide technical and financial assistance to state and local governments to establish effective relinquishment processes on their own.
    Incentivize state *extreme risk* laws. Extreme risk laws, also called *red flag* laws, enable family members or law enforcement officials to temporarily remove an individual*s access to firearms when that individual is in crisis and poses a danger to themselves or others. Biden will incentivize the adoption of these laws by giving states funds to implement them. And, he*ll direct the U.S. Department of Justice to issue best practices and offer technical assistance to states interested in enacting an extreme risk law.
    Give states incentives to set up gun licensing programs. Biden will enact legislation to give states and local governments grants to require individuals to obtain a license prior to purchasing a gun.
    Adequately fund the background check system. President Obama and Vice President Biden expanded incentives for states to submit records of prohibited persons into the background checks system. As president, Biden will continue to prioritize that funding and ensure that the FBI is adequately funded to accurately and efficiently handle the NICS system.
    ADDRESSING THE DEADLY COMBINATION OF GUNS AND DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
    The statistics tell a devastating and overwhelming story. The likelihood that a woman in a domestic violence situation will be killed increases by a factor of five if a gun is nearby. Half of mass shootings involve an individual shooting a family member or former intimate partner. This deadly connection tragically impacts children as well: 86% of children killed in shootings with four or more victims were involved in domestic or family violence.
    Biden recognizes that the gun violence and domestic violence epidemics are linked and cannot be solved in isolation. Addressing the interconnectedness of these challenges will be a core focus of Biden*s anti-violence work as president.
    The Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act of 2019, which Leader McConnell refuses to bring to the floor for a vote, includes a number of reforms to keep firearms out of the hands of abusers. Senator McConnell should ensure this legislation gets passed long before President Biden would take the oath of office. But if McConnell refuses to act, Biden will enact legislation to close the so-called *boyfriend loophole* and *stalking loophole* by prohibiting all individuals convicted of assault, battery, or stalking from purchasing or possessing firearms, regardless of their connection to the victim. This proposal is modeled after existing laws in California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Nevada, New York, and Pennsylvania. Biden also supports enacting the proposal to prohibit anyone under a temporary restraining order from purchasing or possessing a firearm before their hearing.
    In addition, President Biden will:
    Establish a new Task Force on Online Harassment and Abuse to focus on the connection between mass shootings, online harassment, extremism, and violence against women. As President, Joe Biden will convene a national Task Force with federal agencies, state leaders, advocates, law enforcement, and technology experts to study rampant online sexual harassment, stalking, and threats, including revenge porn and deepfakes * and the connection between this harassment, mass shootings, extremism and violence against women. The Task Force will be charged with developing cutting-edge strategies and recommendations for how federal and state governments, social media companies, schools, and other public and private entities can tackle this unique challenge. The Task Force will consider platform accountability, transparent reporting requirements for incidents of harassment and response, and best practices.
    Expand the use of evidence-based lethality assessments by law enforcement in cases of domestic violence. Lethality assessments, sometimes called *risk* or *danger* assessments, are a proven strategy to help law enforcement officers identify domestic violence survivors who are at high risk of being killed by their abusers. These survivors are then connected with social service programs that can offer services and safety planning. An evaluation of the Lethality Assessment Program (LEP) created by the Maryland Network Against Domestic Violence showed promising results. Increased federal funding will incentivize jurisdictions to take advantage of implementing these programs more widely.
    Make sure firearm owners take on the responsibility of ensuring their weapons are used safely.
    Put America on the path to ensuring that 100% of firearms sold in America are smart guns. Today, we have the technology to allow only authorized users to fire a gun. For example, existing smart gun technology requires a fingerprint match before use. Biden believes we should work to eventually require that 100% of firearms sold in the U.S. are smart guns. But, right now the NRA and gun manufacturers are bullying firearms dealers who try to sell these guns. Biden will stand up against these bullying tactics and issue a call to action for gun manufacturers, dealers, and other public and private entities to take steps to accelerate our transition to smart guns.
    Hold adults accountable for giving minors access to firearms. Biden supports legislation holding adults criminally and civilly liable for directly or negligently giving a minor access to a firearm, regardless of whether the minor actually gains possession of the firearm.
    Require gun owners to safely store their weapons. Biden will pass legislation requiring firearm owners to store weapons safely in their homes.
    Empower law enforcement to effectively enforce our gun laws.
    Prioritize prosecution of straw purchasers. *Straw purchasers* buy a firearm on behalf of an individual who cannot pass a background check. Biden will end those loopholes by enacting a law to make all straw purchases a serious federal crime and ensure the U.S. Justice Department has sufficient resources to prioritize their prosecution.
    Notify law enforcement when a potential firearms purchaser fails a background check. Too often, when prohibited persons attempting to buy a firearm fail a background check, state and local law enforcement is never informed of the attempt. As president, Biden will direct the FBI to set up a process to ensure timely notification of denials to state and local law enforcement, and he*ll support legislation to codify this process. This empowers law enforcement to follow up and ensure prohibited persons do not attempt to acquire firearms through other means.
    Require firearms owners to report if their weapon is lost or stolen. Responsible gun owners have a responsibility to inform law enforcement if their weapon is lost or stolen. Biden will enact legislation to make this the law of the land.
    Stop *ghost guns.* One way people who cannot legally obtain a gun may gain access to a weapon is by assembling a one on their own, either by buying a kit of disassembled gun parts or 3D printing a working firearm. Biden will stop the proliferation of these so-called *ghost guns* by passing legislation requiring that purchasers of gun kits or 3D printing code pass a federal background check. Additionally, Biden will ensure that the authority for firearms exports stays with the State Department, and if needed reverse a proposed rule by President Trump. This will ensure the State Department continues to block the code used to 3D print firearms from being made available on the Internet.
    Reform, fund, and empower the U.S. Justice Department to enforce our gun laws. Biden will direct his Attorney General to deliver to him within his first 100 days a set of recommendations for restructuring the ATF and related Justice Department agencies to most effectively enforce our gun laws. Biden will then work to secure sufficient funds for the Justice Department to effectively enforce our existing gun laws, increase the frequency of inspections of firearms dealers, and repeal riders that get in the way of that work.
    Direct the ATF to issue an annual report on firearms trafficking. This report will provide officials with critical information to better identify strategies for curbing firearms trafficking.
    TACKLE URBAN GUN VIOLENCE WITH TARGETED, EVIDENCE-BASED COMMUNITY INTERVENTIONS
    Daily acts of gun violence in our communities may not make national headlines, but are just as devastating to survivors and victims* families as gun violence that does make the front page. And, these daily acts of gun violence disproportionately impact communities of color. But there is reason to be optimistic. There are proven strategies for reducing gun violence in urban communities without turning to incarceration. For example, Group Violence Intervention organizes community leaders to work with individuals most likely to commit acts of gun violence, express the community*s demand that the gun violence stop, and connect individuals who may be likely perpetrators with social and economic support services that may deter violent behavior. These types of interventions have reduced homicides by as much as 60%. Hospital-Based Violence Intervention engages young people who have been injured by gun violence while they are still in the hospital, connecting them to social and economic services that may decrease the likelihood they engage in or are victims of gun violence in the future. Biden will create a $900 million, eight-year initiative to fund these and other types of evidence-based interventions in 40 cities across the country * the 20 cities with the highest number of homicides, and 20 cities with the highest number of homicides per capita. This proposal is estimated to save more than 12,000 lives over the eight-year program.
    Dedicate the brightest scientific minds to solving the gun violence public health epidemic. In 2013, President Obama issued a memorandum clarifying that a longstanding appropriations rider that prohibited the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and other federal scientific agencies from using federal dollars to *advocate or promote gun control* does not prohibit those agencies from researching the causes and prevention of gun violence. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) subsequently embarked on funding some of this research, though Republican leadership in Congress refused to appropriate any funds to the CDC for this work. Biden will call for Congress to appropriate $50 million to accelerate this research at the CDC and NIH.
    Prohibit the use of federal funds to arm or train educators to discharge firearms. We should be passing rational gun laws, not requiring educators who already have too much on their plates to also protect the safety of their students. Biden supports barring states from using federal dollars to arm or train educators to discharge firearms.
    Address the epidemic of suicides by firearms. Biden believes any plan to address the gun violence epidemic must address suicides by firearms, which account for 6 in 10 gun-related deaths but are often left out of the conversation. Many of the policies noted above * including safe storage requirements and extreme risk protection orders * will have a serious impact on efforts to reduce gun violence. But there*s so much more we need to do to support people experiencing suicidal ideation. In the months ahead, Biden will put forward a comprehensive plan to improve access to mental health services.
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    Default Re: Has Trump been good for the 2nd? I say yes

    Why stop at not supporting Trump? We should stop supporting all Republicans too. Remember for the first two years of Trumps presidency the Republicans controlled the house and senate too.........and they did nothing.

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    Just to clarify, my post wasn*t directed at anybody here. I was on the GOA Facebook page again this morning and the never Trumper*s are out in full force. They*re pushing Jo Jorgensen. Like it or not, the reality is that the president WILL be EITHER Trump or Biden. No third-party candidate has a snowball*s chance in hell. We might think they*re great, we might wish they could win, but the fact of the matter is they just won*t. The only thing a third-party candidate can do is torpedo one of the mainstream candidates. Unfortunately, Jo Jorgensen is more likely to torpedo Trump then Biden. Because I*m too lazy to type everything again I*ll just paste what I say said there.

    The only third party candidate in modern memory that put any kind of dent into the two party system was Ross Perot with 18.9% of the vote. Because of Ross Perot*s involvement in the race Bill Clinton won the White House. In 1994 Bill Clinton signed the *94 gun ban. Jo Jorgensen doesn*t have a snowball*s chance in hell of getting anywhere close to double digits. You might as well vote for a unicorn. At least they*re cool and magical, but have as much chance of winning the presidential race as Jo Jorgensen. Joe Biden and the Democrats have already telegraphed what they intend to do to gun rights. The only chance, in the real world, in this election is Trump.
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    she was apparently bitten by a bat within the past 24 hours....

    and, only about 100k droolers are buying into this bullshit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by staylo View Post
    Just to clarify, my post wasn*t directed at anybody here. I was on the GOA Facebook page again this morning and the never Trumper*s are out in full force. They*re pushing Jo Jorgensen. Like it or not, the reality is that the president WILL be EITHER Trump or Biden. No third-party candidate has a snowball*s chance in hell. We might think they*re great, we might wish they could win, but the fact of the matter is they just won*t. The only thing a third-party candidate can do is torpedo one of the mainstream candidates. Unfortunately, Jo Jorgensen is more likely to torpedo Trump then Biden. Because I*m too lazy to type everything again I*ll just paste what I say said there.

    The only third party candidate in modern memory that put any kind of dent into the two party system was Ross Perot with 18.9% of the vote. Because of Ross Perot*s involvement in the race Bill Clinton won the White House. In 1994 Bill Clinton signed the *94 gun ban. Jo Jorgensen doesn*t have a snowball*s chance in hell of getting anywhere close to double digits. You might as well vote for a unicorn. At least they*re cool and magical, but have as much chance of winning the presidential race as Jo Jorgensen. Joe Biden and the Democrats have already telegraphed what they intend to do to gun rights. The only chance, in the real world, in this election is Trump.
    Hence my statement twice. We don't have a choice. Why bother bitching and moaning? Not you. The unwashed masses. I made my peace with Trump's horseshit. In fact he is a populist president and the filthy hoard does not jealously guarded liberty.
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    The Libertarian party is funded by the democrats and dumbasses still buy into that shit. Effing morons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delkal View Post
    Why stop at not supporting Trump? We should stop supporting all Republicans too. Remember for the first two years of Trumps presidency the Republicans controlled the house and senate too.........and they did nothing.
    Trump can only do so much and only if the RINOs like Toomey let him. We need to figure a way to get rid of RINOs. Why wont the Republicans load up dem bills like the dems do to the republicans?

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    Trump was the best option of the 4 in the 2016 race.

    We all know Hillary on guns.

    Johnson literally threw a gun into the garbage after it was given to him.

    Stein is anti-gun.
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