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    Default Re: PA Law on Obstructing Highways

    Quote Originally Posted by GunLawyer001 View Post
    I had a dream. Unfortunately, it was not the one with little colored boys and girls playing happily with little white boys and girls, and nobody was being judged by the content of his character.

    No, in this one, I was in my SUV in traffic, and we came to a red light. There were cars in front of me, cars to both sides, cars behind me. And for whatever reason, violent assholes targeted my SUV. The car behind me pulled up right on my bumper, the truck in front of me backed up, and then bad guys on foot came up on the sides.

    I had my usual 9mm with some extra mags, but honestly, my prospects did not look good. Then some black-clad Antifaguy slid a probable-bomb under the back of my SUV, so I shot him as he fled. But I still had an assumed IED under my SUV.

    So I chose to wake up (that's the way I roll when I'm unconscious.)

    But it left me wondering, what SHOULD be your game plan at traffic lights, surrounded by cars? 90% of the cars stopped at these BLM highway games are NOT at the front, deciding whether to run over the rioters; no, most of the victimized are being stopped by the cars in front of them and around them. Trapped like caged rats by vehicles. I wonder how many of those lead vehicles are driven by BLM allies. (Honestly, if I were an amoral asshole planning to disrupt traffic, it's what I'd do, get 2-4 accomplices to line up and then the rest of us would step in front of them as planned, and they'd all stop, and the people behind them would suspect nothing, just that they had to stop because of protesters.)

    And what ARE your options if they come at you when driving away is not an option, even if you'd be willing to use the tangos as speed bumps?

    I think I need to have at least 2 handguns, for one thing, in case they attack from both sides at once. And maybe a larger vehicle with a ram-rated push bar.

    You may recall a few years back that there was a killing in front of the CIA HQ; an asshole with a rifle shot up multiple cars and especially killed the guy in the middle car. At the time, some commenters noted that this was a terrorist tactic used overseas, to trap the target between cars and then shoot him up. It seems like it's really effective.

    More reason to always leave the suggested following distance at intersections. Make sure you can see the tires of the car ahead when you're stopped.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_headquarters_shooting
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frizratz View Post
    I've considered putting my snow plow on my truck, in July.
    If I could come up with a plausible explanation for mounting an industrial wood chipper on the front, I'd seriously consider it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GunLawyer001 View Post
    If I could come up with a plausible explanation for mounting an industrial wood chipper on the front, I'd seriously consider it.
    A snow blower would have the same effect...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frizratz View Post
    I've considered putting my snow plow on my truck, in July.
    No, officer, I keep it on there all year because I don't have a place to store it.
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    https://twitter.com/ryanlcooper/stat...92104980131846

    sales of mega-pickups, which have basically been deliberately designed to intimidate and kill pedestrians, are booming




    https://www.wsj.com/articles/pickup-...at-11596254412

    Pickup Trucks Are Getting Huge. Got a Problem With That?
    America*s hardest-working status symbols, pickups are exploding in size and eating up roadways. Dan Neil questions these behemoths* styling...and safety.
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    Illegitimus non carborundum est

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    Quote Originally Posted by EWTHeckman View Post
    Just because it has become an issue around the country, I decided to look up PA's law on "protestors" blocking roads. Here it is:



    https://law.justia.com/codes/pennsyl...apter-55/5507/
    Am I reading this correctly?

    It's only an offense if an officer warns the person obstructing the road?

    What are the laws for self defense in a car when you fear your life is in danger?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gamer_jim View Post
    Am I reading this correctly?

    It's only an offense if an officer warns the person obstructing the road?


    What are the laws for self defense in a car when you fear your life is in danger?
    Yup, as long as police are using discretion and not warning the "peaceful protesters" off the road, no crime has been committed.

    Your right to self defense doesn't meant shit to those in charge, only the "peaceful protestors" have rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gamer_jim View Post
    . . .
    What are the laws for self defense in a car when you fear your life is in danger?
    Castle Doctrine extends to the inside of an occupied vehicle, if the perp is coming inside or dragging you out.

    Part of PA law:

    (2.1) Except as otherwise provided in paragraph (2.2), an actor is presumed to have a reasonable belief that deadly force is immediately necessary to protect himself against death, serious bodily injury, kidnapping or sexual intercourse compelled by force or threat if both of the following conditions exist:

    (i) The person against whom the force is used is in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or has unlawfully and forcefully entered and is present within, a dwelling, residence or occupied vehicle; or the person against whom the force is used is or is attempting to unlawfully and forcefully remove another against that other's will from the dwelling, residence or occupied vehicle.

    (ii) The actor knows or has reason to believe that the unlawful and forceful entry or act is occurring or has occurred.

    (2.2) The presumption set forth in paragraph (2.1) does not apply if:

    (i) the person against whom the force is used has the right to be in or is a lawful resident of the dwelling, residence or vehicle, such as an owner or lessee;

    (ii) the person sought to be removed is a child or grandchild or is otherwise in the lawful custody or under the lawful guardianship of the person against whom the protective force is used;

    (iii) the actor is engaged in a criminal activity or is using the dwelling, residence or occupied vehicle to further a criminal activity; or

    (iv) the person against whom the force is used is a peace officer acting in the performance of his official duties and the actor using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a peace officer.

    (2.3) An actor who is not engaged in a criminal activity, who is not in illegal possession of a firearm and who is attacked in any place where the actor would have a duty to retreat under paragraph (2)(ii) has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his ground and use force, including deadly force, if:

    (i) the actor has a right to be in the place where he was attacked;

    (ii) the actor believes it is immediately necessary to do so to protect himself against death, serious bodily injury, kidnapping or sexual intercourse by force or threat; and

    (iii) the person against whom the force is used displays or otherwise uses:

    (A) a firearm or replica of a firearm as defined in 42 Pa.C.S. 9712 (relating to sentences for offenses committed with firearms); or

    (B) any other weapon readily or apparently capable of lethal use.

    (2.4) The exception to the duty to retreat set forth under paragraph (2.3) does not apply if the person against whom the force is used is a peace officer acting in the performance of his official duties and the actor using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a peace officer.

    (2.5) Unless one of the exceptions under paragraph (2.2) applies, a person who unlawfully and by force enters or attempts to enter an actor's dwelling, residence or occupied vehicle or removes or attempts to remove another against that other's will from the actor's dwelling, residence or occupied vehicle is presumed to be doing so with the intent to commit:

    (i) an act resulting in death or serious bodily injury; or

    (ii) kidnapping or sexual intercourse by force or threat.

    (2.6) A public officer justified in using force in the performance of his duties or a person justified in using force in his assistance or a person justified in using force in making an arrest or preventing an escape is not obliged to desist from efforts to perform such duty, effect such arrest or prevent such escape because of resistance or threatened resistance by or on behalf of the person against whom such action is directed.

    (3) Except as otherwise required by this subsection, a person employing protective force may estimate the necessity thereof under the circumstances as he believes them to be when the force is used, without retreating, surrendering possession, doing any other act which he has no legal duty to do or abstaining from any lawful action.
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    Default Re: PA Law on Obstructing Highways

    Arbuably, it's the "legal presumption of reasonable fear" as a driver/passenger in a vehicle coercively stopped. In that context, a finding of self-defense at trial in PA is about as close as you can get to a "done deal." Then of course in jurisdictions like Shitadelphia, and depending directly upon the skin-color of the attacker, and w/ Krapner and his acolytes prosecuting and a judge of similar political disposition as the attacker? Not so much.

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