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July 8th, 2020, 02:47 PM #41
Re: Troopers shoot and kill man in Monroe County
You are probably correct about her being shot if the police were the ones taking incoming rounds.
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Re: Troopers shoot and kill man in Monroe County
Aggies Coach Really ??? Take off the tin foil bro.
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July 8th, 2020, 02:53 PM #43
Re: Troopers shoot and kill man in Monroe County
It's interesting the level of detail in the post, but no mention of knocking on the door. But you know, I'm sure that they followed their procedure to a T, because they'd never do something contrary to that, right?
I wouldn't fault the old woman either. It would have been an unfortunate confluence of circumstances.
At the same time, I wouldn't fault the cop for defending himself when confronted by the gun wielding homeowner. That too would have been an unfortunate confluence of circumstances.
Oh wait, that's already happened, when they arrived for a welfare check, didn't knock on the OPEN door, never yelled out "police" instead started snooping around and then shot the homeowner through the window. Yup, followed procedure to a T.Rules are written in the stone,
Break the rules and you get no bones,
all you get is ridicule, laughter,
and a trip to the house of pain.
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July 8th, 2020, 03:03 PM #44
Re: Troopers shoot and kill man in Monroe County
If you want to believe that the fire department showed up, had the daughter on scene, and then for some bizarre and entirely inexplicable reason decided to go in through an unlocked window without first knocking on the door, be my guest.
Its entirely irrational, but believe what you want.
Sounds like you're bringing a lot of emotional baggage to this discussion. Doesn't seem like you're really able to view or discuss it objectively.
Have a good day.
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July 8th, 2020, 03:15 PM #45
Re: Troopers shoot and kill man in Monroe County
No, I just find it interesting that someone writes a story in such detail but leaves an important one out. First Responders, believe it or not, are human, and make mistakes, and have been shown to not follow policy. Did they yell through the window they opened before entering it? That part isn't in there either, they entered, then yelled. But hey, at least we got to hear about probies and truckies, and not actual real details in their story. I guess the old lady also had the stealth ability of a cat that they never heard her moving around after they entered.
Sounds like you're bringing a lot of emotional baggage to this discussion. Doesn't seem like you're really able to view or discuss it objectively.
Have a good day.
Let's examine their claimed details:
The members found the home and attempted to see anyone inside. Newspaper and mail stacked up. All too quiet. They checked for any unsecured opening. The daughter, who was on scene, reported that "mom" never leaves the house and the members were given full permission to enter the home anyway they could. An unlocked window was found on the backside of the home and the split decision was made to make entry as sometimes it may take a deputy a decent amount of time to respond and arrive on scene. Both firefighters entered the window all the while screaming "Fire department!" as loud as a Probie in fire school. Three steps into the home-they encountered an elderly woman coming at them with a .38 handgun.
Instead they made that split second decision and came through the window, putting themselves in danger. Apparently she was nearby since they only got 3 steps into the home before they encountered her. So obviously she heard the yelling. Maybe some forethought should be given before climbing in and then yelling. Not using some common sense could have possibly gotten themselves killed, or her killed had it been a cop on the scene.
But hey, what the fuck do I know, I'm not a highly trained first responder following the procedure to a T. Entering someone's home that isn't on fire, shouldn't be a split second decision, especially since they all probably thought she was already dead due to the reported circumstances.Rules are written in the stone,
Break the rules and you get no bones,
all you get is ridicule, laughter,
and a trip to the house of pain.
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July 8th, 2020, 03:24 PM #46
Re: Troopers shoot and kill man in Monroe County
"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to streaker69 again."
A great many fire departments are volunteer.
I grew up with the type of people who join those volunteer fire departments.
And frankly; most of them are just a bunch of dumb hicks.
They WOULD be the type to break in through a window before knocking on the front door.
Edit to add:
They are also to type to not bother to ask whomever called them; if they bothered to knock on the door before calling the fire department.--ET
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July 8th, 2020, 03:33 PM #47
Re: Troopers shoot and kill man in Monroe County
A lot of VFD guys are also adrenaline junkies and will seek out getting that fix. Making that split second decision to find that dead body before anyone else is far more exciting than knocking on the door and waiting for the old lady to answer. I'm guessing these guys got the adrenaline dump that they weren't expecting.
Rules are written in the stone,
Break the rules and you get no bones,
all you get is ridicule, laughter,
and a trip to the house of pain.
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July 8th, 2020, 03:40 PM #48
Re: Troopers shoot and kill man in Monroe County
Knock, knock: We're here for a welfare check
Old woman: I'm not on welfare and don't have it, go fish.Gender confusion is a mental illness
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July 8th, 2020, 04:13 PM #49
Re: Troopers shoot and kill man in Monroe County
Does the standard protocol involve interviewing the requester as to the condition of the person to be checked?
If so, why didn't they know she was 3/4 deaf? And had previous breakins or incidents?
Did they use their Paging System on the trucks/vehicles to broadcast a request for entry?
How much information did they obtain from the daughter to prevent facing an unknown situation?
Did they explain to the daughter that their responding may put themselves at risk & her mother as well?
Many confrontations with police or other governmental agencies are precipitated by the 'POWER' mentality of the responders. They believe they have ULTIMATE POWER over any situation and any person involved MUST OBEY! Were they taught that THEY ARE PUBLIC SERVANTS, NOT PUBLIC MASTERS? Or were they taught to TAKE CONTROL OF THE SITUATION, no matter what RIGHTS they violate?
I support the police (and other governmental agents) as PUBLIC SERVANTS - but they need to be trained properly to RESPECT THE RIGHTS OF THE PEOPLE who they are supposed to be serving!
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July 8th, 2020, 04:24 PM #50
Re: Troopers shoot and kill man in Monroe County
The daughter was ON SCENE. A window was found unlocked. Why didn't the daughter go in?
IMO, if the daughter is not on title, she has no legal authority to authorize ANYONE to enter. Likewise, she really has no authority to enter herself, but if she's willing to "allow" someone else to enter, why wouldn't she just go in herself?
Just another example of everyone expecting the government to take care of them, and anyone they deem in need of "help", regardless of the facts. And on the other hand, the government acting because "just in case/what if", instead of facts.
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