A few questions about CCW/nfa/open carry

[jackal2001]

With all the chaos in the world I have a question. First of all I've been a PA LTCF holder for over 2 decades and been into NFA weapons for over 15 years. Normally I don't carry a nfa loaded rifle anywhere, at any time for any reason, or something that is classified as a pistol, like an AR pistol.
So with PA law, I'm thinking these scenarios are legal with NFA and CCW permit.
1. NFA SBR PCC or AR/AK & Suppressor. Can be carried legally open carry (not Philly) around my hometown area, streets, etc. Can be moved via car on passenger seat, etc fully loaded.
2. Any type of PCC or AR/AK with a short barrel under 16" and a pistol brace.
Can be carried legally open carry (not Philly) around my hometown area, streets, etc. Can be moved via car on passenger seat, etc fully loaded.
Would these 2 above scenarios be ok?
I believe the exception would be if utilizing a standard rifle/shotgun with barrels over 16/18" then they can not be transported loaded on the passenger seat. Those must be unloaded and transported ammo/gun in separate containers.
Thanks for the help.

[gnbrotz]

With all the chaos in the world I have a question. First of all I've been a PA LTCF holder for over 2 decades and been into NFA weapons for over 15 years. Normally I don't carry a nfa loaded rifle anywhere, at any time for any reason, or something that is classified as a pistol, like an AR pistol.
So with PA law, I'm thinking these scenarios are legal with NFA and CCW permit.
1. NFA SBR PCC or AR/AK & Suppressor. Can be carried legally open carry (not Philly) around my hometown area, streets, etc. Can be moved via car on passenger seat, etc fully loaded.
2. Any type of PCC or AR/AK with a short barrel under 16" and a pistol brace.
Can be carried legally open carry (not Philly) around my hometown area, streets, etc. Can be moved via car on passenger seat, etc fully loaded.
Would these 2 above scenarios be ok?
I believe the exception would be if utilizing a standard rifle/shotgun with barrels over 16/18" then they can not be transported loaded on the passenger seat. Those must be unloaded and transported ammo/gun in separate containers.
Thanks for the help.

You are correct on all points, except the "not Philly" parentheticals. Everything you posited is also legal in Philly.

[jackal2001]

Thanks. I know Philly has its own laws and never go there really but I just wanted to clarify that, just in case.

[gnbrotz]

Thanks. I know Philly has its own laws and never go there really but I just wanted to clarify that, just in case.

Actually, they do not "have their own laws", and are not permitted to enact their own firearms regulations.

The state legislature (the only authority for firearms regulation) has enacted a statute that applies only to "cities of the first class". The qualification for this category is population over 1 million, and for now, Philly is the only city in that category.

So there is a slight difference, in that "cities of the first class" require one to be licensed, even for open carry, but that is an actual state law, and will apply to any city that ever surpasses 1 million residents, and likewise, will CEASE to apply in Philly, if they ever drop below that number.

[sucellus]

I know this is months after the fact, but I wanted to add a caveat to this factually correct comment. While Philadelphia does not "have their own laws," each jurisdiction in PA *does* have their own prosecutor and police department. The gun "friendliness" of local DA's and police are largely the determinative factor of whether an interaction with law enforcement will result in arrest.

Philadelphia government (in all its forms, including the PPD) is hostile to firearms ownership. It took me two months to get a CCL and I was an ADA at the time witb friends in the licensing department (my renewal in Bucks took 25 minutes). Things have reportedly only grown worse as the powers that be have found the current series of crises to be useful in enacting their preexisting agenda.

We are all familiar with the current Philadelphia DA, Mayor, and police chief's attitudes towards gun ownership. Anyone carrying in Philadelphia should expect any ambiguous circumstance to be construed against them, perhaps willingly so.

[Walleye Hunter]

They only want hoodlums carrying guns in Philthytown and any good guy who defends himself will be found defending himself in criminal court as well.

[Carson]

I know this is months after the fact, but I wanted to add a caveat to this factually correct comment. While Philadelphia does not "have their own laws," each jurisdiction in PA *does* have their own prosecutor and police department. The gun "friendliness" of local DA's and police are largely the determinative factor of whether an interaction with law enforcement will result in arrest.

Philadelphia government (in all its forms, including the PPD) is hostile to firearms ownership. It took me two months to get a CCL and I was an ADA at the time witb friends in the licensing department (my renewal in Bucks took 25 minutes). Things have reportedly only grown worse as the powers that be have found the current series of crises to be useful in enacting their preexisting agenda.

We are all familiar with the current Philadelphia DA, Mayor, and police chief's attitudes towards gun ownership. Anyone carrying in Philadelphia should expect any ambiguous circumstance to be construed against them, perhaps willingly so.

Can you clarify a few things. Where were you an ADA? What is the preexisting agenda? Why do you call it a CCL? (That may be why it took 2 months to acquire, even with friends in the *licensing department*. Do you know what DA Krasner*s attitude is toward illegally carried firearms ?

[PAMedic=F|A=]

Can you clarify a few things. Where were you an ADA? What is the preexisting agenda? Why do you call it a CCL? (That may be why it took 2 months to acquire, even with friends in the *licensing department*. Do you know what DA Krasner*s attitude is toward illegally carried firearms ?

Don*t talk to cops man.

;-)

[sucellus]

Can you clarify a few things. Where were you an ADA? What is the preexisting agenda? Why do you call it a CCL? (That may be why it took 2 months to acquire, even with friends in the *licensing department*. Do you know what DA Krasner*s attitude is toward illegally carried firearms ?

I was an ADA for over 10 years and left after the regime change. The preexisting agenda would be the city government's hostilty to firearms ownership. I call it a CCL just to use internet shorthand for concealed carry license. I do not known for sure what Mr. Kranser's position on illegally possessed firearms is and I will not opine on it. I would suggest that the city in general (from top to bottom) is hostile to gun ownership when compared to the rest of the state, and this telegraphs out to individual interactions with law enforcement.

As a recent example, I heard (emphasize "heard") Gun Permits only opened up for three days since March to renew permits, and that was this month. Other counties have been open for months.

[jthrelf]

Thanks. I know Philly has its own laws and never go there really but I just wanted to clarify that, just in case.

They only WISH they did