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    Default Re: PA House Speaker Demands Schools Reopen in the Fall

    Quote Originally Posted by free View Post
    Not to mention cranking up the condescending level up to 11...
    Etc... (I agree with everything you said, Free... just clipped for brevity).

    I couldn't agree more.

    I am not one BIT upset about school being 'over' for the year. I would not be one bit upset if the 2020-2021 school year is also canceled.

    My kids went to charter/private schools (respectively) for good reason.

    What I'm concerned about is the fact that my school tax bill has not been mitigated or eliminated thereby.

    I call BS. Our education system is a travesty with little/no opt-out.

    I don't think our children's education has been harmed one bit by 'remote' learning. In fact, possibly enhanced.

    Just as the new normal may include a LOT more work-from-home, the new normal should also include a lot more 'non traditional' education - with commensurate reduction in the pig-trough funding of entitled and complacent "educators".
    "Those who would give up essential Liberty to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" - Ben Franklin.

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    Default Re: PA House Speaker Demands Schools Reopen in the Fall

    Quote Originally Posted by jonnyc View Post
    "on what i'm not sure because was certain the school year was ended"

    I'm a teacher, so I'll patiently excuse your ignorance and attempt to educate you.
    Schools, the physical buildings, are closed but education is still continuing. All/Most PA schools have adopted on-line platforms to continue to teach our students and not give up on almost a half-year of learning. Is it different...YES. Is it difficult...YES. Try taking your job, totally eradicating it, and telling you (literally over-night) that you have to do it completely different, remotely, with absolutely no contact with your customers, places of business, or traditional tools.
    Stop whining and be happy that we're trying to prevent your kids, grandkids, etc., from falling through a Corona-sized crack.
    You're welcome.
    I've been teaching for 24 years. I've never had much respect for people or teachers who take a condescending approach towards others. In this case it takes away from any substance your message may have had.

    Personally I feel very fortunate to still be working with everything that is going on today. So to anybody reading this, please do not take anything I am typing as a complaint. I just want to post one teachers experience. (I am doing this during my lunch break)

    1. My district put out a letter early on saying that teachers were getting paid to do a job and the community deserves our best. I agree 100% with this and try to
    live up to this every day.

    2. My district requires that we post lessons and grade everyday. We also contact home any day a student does not do their work. There has been a tremendous learning curve for teachers, parents and students. (it's amazing how much trouble not setting up one setting correctly can screw everything up) My first 2 weeks I was starting at 7:30 in the morning and finishing up around 7 at night with a good 4 hours on Sunday (not a complaint, just a statement of fact)
    While there was a large learning curve that took up a lot of time others were losing their jobs, businesses etc.....

    3. Now I have the technology down and and style of planning that allows me to start at 7:00 and finish at 3 with about 30-45 minutes of break spread throughout the day. It may not mean much but other than a lunch break I am generally working on school work/researching the entire time.

    4. In a way I am happy this has happened. I have learned a ton of stuff that I think will make me a better teacher when I get back into the classroom. That being said I can't wait to get back in the classroom. I enjoy the interaction and getting to watch students take steps forward as the year progresses.

    5. For some students doing things on line is a positive. There are lot less distractions for them. For others it is a negative. Some need the structure school provides and someone to be there and work with them. I put the question out to my students last week what they thought about on line learning. A few said they liked or loved it. Most said they did not like it and quite a few said they looked forward to returning to school.

    As far as teaching being a hard job..... of course it is. But so are most jobs. (Whether you are cook, lawyer, doctor, janitor, truck driver, plumber, mason, tech person etc....). Can anyone teach..... probably not. But there are plenty of jobs I would not be do because of the pressure they have. I have done work as a cook, mason, and a plumber. For me the most stress was being a cook. I could not do that for a living but there are plenty of people who excel at cooking. Every job has it's ups and downs. The secret is finding a job where your personality experiences more ups than downs.

    And in the current situation everyone is adapting to figure out how to make things work. As I said, I am extremely fortunate to be in a profession where I can make adaptations instead of being forced not to work, lose my job or lose my business.
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    Default Re: PA House Speaker Demands Schools Reopen in the Fall

    Quote Originally Posted by jonnyc View Post
    Ah, now I get it.....this must be the low level SpEd Forum.
    Sorry guys, I thought there might be some intelligence here.....my mistake. This must be where all the ignorant, short-sighted, blind, nationalistic Trumpies hang out. I bet none of you wear masks or believe Corona is real, and bitch about your right to ramble about and infect everyone else.
    Hail Stupidity and Chive On!
    BUH-Bye!

    Thank you IT for not being a condescending a-hole. Appreciate everything you are doing for your students.
    "Sometimes reasonable men must do unreasonable things."- Marvin Heemeyer

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    Default Re: PA House Speaker Demands Schools Reopen in the Fall

    I'm Special & Ed. Guess that makes me a dumb Pole-Lock. 😷😛

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    Default Re: PA House Speaker Demands Schools Reopen in the Fall

    On a serious note the responses to jonnyc. I have to agree with.

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    Default Re: PA House Speaker Demands Schools Reopen in the Fall

    I saw the Philadelphia mayor,( Kenny?) on TV talking about what a hit the school district took and how they are coming up so short on budget. WTH? With schools shut down, busses and drivers not working, electric use drastically reduced, maintenance workers cut back, and a whole list of more expense reductions how is this possible? Oh, he said he would have to increase property taxes to make up the shortfall. Good job, Mayor. Lets raise taxes on people who aren't working so they can become homeless.
    The question is, will you be on your feet or your knees?

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    Default Re: PA House Speaker Demands Schools Reopen in the Fall

    Quote Originally Posted by internet troll View Post
    I've been teaching for 24 years. I've never had much respect for people or teachers who take a condescending approach towards others. In this case it takes away from any substance your message may have had.

    Personally I feel very fortunate to still be working with everything that is going on today. So to anybody reading this, please do not take anything I am typing as a complaint. I just want to post one teachers experience. (I am doing this during my lunch break)

    1. My district put out a letter early on saying that teachers were getting paid to do a job and the community deserves our best. I agree 100% with this and try to
    live up to this every day.

    2. My district requires that we post lessons and grade everyday. We also contact home any day a student does not do their work. There has been a tremendous learning curve for teachers, parents and students. (it's amazing how much trouble not setting up one setting correctly can screw everything up) My first 2 weeks I was starting at 7:30 in the morning and finishing up around 7 at night with a good 4 hours on Sunday (not a complaint, just a statement of fact)
    While there was a large learning curve that took up a lot of time others were losing their jobs, businesses etc.....

    3. Now I have the technology down and and style of planning that allows me to start at 7:00 and finish at 3 with about 30-45 minutes of break spread throughout the day. It may not mean much but other than a lunch break I am generally working on school work/researching the entire time.

    4. In a way I am happy this has happened. I have learned a ton of stuff that I think will make me a better teacher when I get back into the classroom. That being said I can't wait to get back in the classroom. I enjoy the interaction and getting to watch students take steps forward as the year progresses.

    5. For some students doing things on line is a positive. There are lot less distractions for them. For others it is a negative. Some need the structure school provides and someone to be there and work with them. I put the question out to my students last week what they thought about on line learning. A few said they liked or loved it. Most said they did not like it and quite a few said they looked forward to returning to school.

    As far as teaching being a hard job..... of course it is. But so are most jobs. (Whether you are cook, lawyer, doctor, janitor, truck driver, plumber, mason, tech person etc....). Can anyone teach..... probably not. But there are plenty of jobs I would not be do because of the pressure they have. I have done work as a cook, mason, and a plumber. For me the most stress was being a cook. I could not do that for a living but there are plenty of people who excel at cooking. Every job has it's ups and downs. The secret is finding a job where your personality experiences more ups than downs.

    And in the current situation everyone is adapting to figure out how to make things work. As I said, I am extremely fortunate to be in a profession where I can make adaptations instead of being forced not to work, lose my job or lose my business.
    I had two kinds of teachers that i remember the most from school. One type of teacher was just like the one that thinks they know something but actually know nothing at all. I had one of those kind of teachers beat the living crap out me when I was in fifth grade. My family could not get her arrested, my family couldn't get her fired and we couldn't afford a lawyer to sue the piss out of her. This became a problem for me and it also was a problem for my family and all the other kids in my classes all through Junior High.

    Then there were teachers like Mrs. Cadwalder that was able to break through my resentment and anger and get me to learn and I actually started to become a pretty good student instead of discipline problem. She got me interested in history and the English language as it used in business, advertising and Journalism.There were a few other teachers that helped me along the way too to get off of the wrong track I was heading down but Mrs. Cadwalder went the extra mile it took. We've just seen the one example in this thread that is an extreme danger to children and their education. The other teacher appears to be taking another tack of doing things that will benefit children and their education.

    One example of something Mrs. Cadwalder taught me that has stuck with me all these years and why I carefully parse words that are used by those looking to take advantage goes like this; "Alka Seltzer, nothing works better". I took their advice and took nothing and I really do feel much better. If all teachers had the insight of people like Mrs Cadwalder the students going through school would be much better off but sadly there are too many teachers like the one we just witnessed and the only things they are interested in is how much money the union will get them and how they can ruin this country with socialism.
    Last edited by JenniferG; May 7th, 2020 at 06:40 PM.
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    Default Re: PA House Speaker Demands Schools Reopen in the Fall

    Quote Originally Posted by jonnyc View Post
    "on what i'm not sure because was certain the school year was ended"

    I'm a teacher, so I'll patiently excuse your ignorance and attempt to educate you.
    Schools, the physical buildings, are closed but education is still continuing. All/Most PA schools have adopted on-line platforms to continue to teach our students and not give up on almost a half-year of learning. Is it different...YES. Is it difficult...YES. Try taking your job, totally eradicating it, and telling you (literally over-night) that you have to do it completely different, remotely, with absolutely no contact with your customers, places of business, or traditional tools.
    Stop whining and be happy that we're trying to prevent your kids, grandkids, etc., from falling through a Corona-sized crack.
    You're welcome.
    You and everyone else. What do you think other professions are doing ?
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    Default Re: PA House Speaker Demands Schools Reopen in the Fall

    The funny thing about people like Johnnyc is they claimed this moral high ground and being well educated but if asked to point to China on a map they'd have to think about it for a while before making a choice. Then if you ask them who was the third president or name the three branches of government they go totally blank and have no idea but they can surely tell you some incorrect information on Karl Marx they learned in college.
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    Default Re: PA House Speaker Demands Schools Reopen in the Fall

    Quote Originally Posted by JenniferG View Post
    I had two kinds of teachers that i remember the most from school. One type of teacher was just like the one that thinks they know something but actually know nothing at all. I had one of those kind of teachers beat the living crap out me when I was in fifth grade. My family could not get her arrested, my family couldn't get her fired and we couldn't afford a lawyer to sue the piss out of her. This became a problem for me and it also was a problem for my family and all the other kids in my classes all through Junior High.

    Then there were teachers like Mrs. Cadwalder that was able to break through my resentment and anger and get me to learn and I actually started to become a pretty good student instead of discipline problem. She got me interested in history and the English language as it used in business, advertising and Journalism.There were a few other teachers that helped me along the way too to get off of the wrong track I was heading down but Mrs. Cadwalder went the extra mile it took. We've just seen the one example in this thread that is an extreme danger to children and their education. The other teacher appears to be taking another tack of doing things that will benefit children and their education.

    One example of something Mrs. Cadwalder taught me that has stuck with me all these years and why I carefully parse words that are used by those looking to take advantage goes like this; "Alka Seltzer, nothing works better". I took their advice and took nothing and I really do feel much better. If all teachers had the insight of people like Mrs Cadwalder the students going through school would be much better off but sadly there are too many teachers like the one we just witnessed and the only things they are interested in is how much money the union will get them and how they can ruin this country with socialism.

    The first teacher sounds like my version of Mrs. Getz. My 4th grade teacher who was one of the most miserable people I’ve ever met. If anyone got out of line she would bring them up to the front of the room and smack their head against the chalkboard. When I think of horrible people she still comes to mind 40 years after the last time I saw her. What a legacy to have.

    Luckily I had a lot of good teachers in my years. They are the ones I try to emulate.
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