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    Default 80% Lower Question

    First thing is please excuse my ignorance so that's why i'm here to ask the question.

    We all know of people that buy an 80% AR lower and do the machine work themselves to build it into a rifle. What happens when they use a short barrel and an approved "Sig" style brace and say they are converting a 80% lower into a AR pistol ?? Aren't they actually building an SBR without a Tax Stamp ??

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    If it starts life out as a pistol it's a pistol until it's not. It's legal to build a pistol. It's not an SBR unless you put a stock and a short barrel on it.
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    Default Re: 80% Lower Question

    Quote Originally Posted by RBELARDI View Post
    First thing is please excuse my ignorance so that's why i'm here to ask the question.

    We all know of people that buy an 80% AR lower and do the machine work themselves to build it into a rifle. What happens when they use a short barrel and an approved "Sig" style brace and say they are converting a 80% lower into a AR pistol ?? Aren't they actually building an SBR without a Tax Stamp ??

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    Default Re: 80% Lower Question

    Quote Originally Posted by RBELARDI View Post
    First thing is please excuse my ignorance so that's why i'm here to ask the question.

    We all know of people that buy an 80% AR lower and do the machine work themselves to build it into a rifle. What happens when they use a short barrel and an approved "Sig" style brace and say they are converting a 80% lower into a AR pistol ?? Aren't they actually building an SBR without a Tax Stamp ??

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    Rob
    It's really no different than building a AR style pistol from an already machined, serial numbered, etc. lower. The a assembly of the pistol barrel upper with a finished 80% lower with a pistol brace attached is perfectly legal. Also, the BATFE has already stated that just because a person mounts the pistol brace to their shoulder they are NOT breaking the law concerning SBR's. They said just because someone mounts the pistol to their shoulder, they have NOT changed the configuration of the end item, it is still a pistol. If, however, you take the pistol brace off and put a true shoulder stock on, without taking the short barrel off first, you have then created a SBR.
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    Default Re: 80% Lower Question

    OK, here's a question(s) for yinz. Guy mills out 80% lower. He's allowed to make a pistol or a rifle out of it, right? Just no SBR, which is an NFA item? What if he decides he wants to turn his rifle into a pistol and he pulls the upper off and puts on a short barrel?
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    Default Re: 80% Lower Question

    So just so I have this straight, its ok to build an AR pistol from an 80% lower with no serial number with a pistol brace ?

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    Default Re: 80% Lower Question

    Quote Originally Posted by Walleye Hunter View Post
    OK, here's a question(s) for yinz. Guy mills out 80% lower. He's allowed to make a pistol or a rifle out of it, right? Just no SBR, which is an NFA item? What if he decides he wants to turn his rifle into a pistol and he pulls the upper off and puts on a short barrel?
    If it starts life as a pistol it can become a rifle and back to a pistol again over and over.
    If it starts life as a rifle it can never be a pistol.

    Quote Originally Posted by RBELARDI View Post
    So just so I have this straight, its ok to build an AR pistol from an 80% lower with no serial number with a pistol brace ?
    As long as you aren't prohibited from owning it and have no intention of selling it, yes.
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    Default Re: 80% Lower Question

    Quote Originally Posted by Walleye Hunter View Post
    OK, here's a question(s) for yinz. Guy mills out 80% lower. He's allowed to make a pistol or a rifle out of it, right? Just no SBR, which is an NFA item? What if he decides he wants to turn his rifle into a pistol and he pulls the upper off and puts on a short barrel?
    I tried to follow, but got lost at "his rifle".

    What rifle?
    One built with that 80% , or another rifle.

    Gotta be very very specific to get the correct answer.
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    Default Re: 80% Lower Question

    Quote Originally Posted by RBELARDI View Post
    So just so I have this straight, its ok to build an AR pistol from an 80% lower with no serial number with a pistol brace ?
    Yes. A pistol is ok.
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    Default Re: 80% Lower Question

    Quote Originally Posted by Emptymag View Post
    I tried to follow, but got lost at "his rifle".

    What rifle?
    One built with that 80% , or another rifle.

    Gotta be very very specific to get the correct answer.
    Mr. Gixxer go it! The one built with his 80% lower.
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