WLG firearms, burned me for $21,600, Gotwals trucking, Xpressway Transportation

[damcv62]

Local FFL burned me for $21,600, who wants to play make them know their mistake?

Had a deal for linked mini gun ammo from lake city. Local ffl WLG Firearms LLC committed to buy a pallet. 24 cans, 1500rds per can, 36,000 rounds. .60 a round, which for factory linked lake city 308 is pretty good. Call and speak with the owner, Will Gotwals.(side note here, I’ve sold him machine guns and stuff in the past, so knows who I am, not some random guy that called him) Explain to him the ammo needs to be committed to, ordered, when ready it will ship directly from Lake City. This was before the shut down. He mails me a check for the ammo, I get it, deposit it, make the order.

He calls the NEXT day and asks if he can come pick it up. Uh, no? It’s processing from lake city? It takes time to ship. He flips out, says he was talking to a DIFFERENT person who also ordered ammo and he ASSUMED he could pick it up as soon as his check cleared. No, that’s not the case, I explained the deal on the phone. He says he wants a refund. I explain the payment has been made, I can’t just send him a refund. I tell him if I can find another buyer I’ll be happy to get him out of the ammo. I tell him when I get a buyer I’ll send him a refund. He says thanks.

That night I get an email from my bank that a check has been declined for a stop payment. He put a stop payment on the check, and didn’t even have the decency to let me know when I told him I was going out of my way to try and fix his problem.

I mean I get it, these are trying times. Maybe he had a cash call, needed the money. But to stop payment on an order you placed and not even even notify the seller when they are trying to assist you in the issue? Of course now its been ten days, no replies to repeated requests from me for him to make this right. So that’s it, I gave him a chance, now he can enjoy what comes. Feel free to share, post else where, light up his social media. I don’t appreciate scummy people, or dealers. So here is his ffl and his main trucking company. Feel free to let them know how we appreciate dealers like this.

And trust me, other avenues will be taken, I’m just letting people know what kind of person owns these local business.

****edit to clarify

The was a group buy. Machine gun guys do this sort of deal a couple of times a year. Lake city won’t sell you just a pallet of ammo. This total deal was over 600,000 rounds. So we have to do it collectively or not do it at all. I’ve done $20,000+ deals with this company before, so that’s why I took his word. Now he burned that, so I’m letting others know to not deal with a sleaze ball

[Walleye Hunter]

That bites. I know of the company, they are local to me. At least you should be able to recoup your money on it but it'll be a PITA for you to handle and ship.

[General Geoff]

You played middleman and he backed out on a deal for which his merchandise was not yet delivered, I wouldn't really call that "burned for $21,600" since you still have a pallet of desirable ammo. You'll just have to sit on it for a bit until you find another buyer.


Take it to Knob Creek in the back of a truck with a big "for sale" sign, you'll probably sell it all in a day.

[bogey1]

Take it to Knob Creek in the back of a truck with a big "for sale" sign, you'll probably sell it all in a day.

Knob creek is canceled.

[damcv62]

You played middleman and he backed out on a deal for which his merchandise was not yet delivered, I wouldn't really call that "burned for $21,600" since you still have a pallet of desirable ammo. You'll just have to sit on it for a bit until you find another buyer.


Take it to Knob Creek in the back of a truck with a big "for sale" sign, you'll probably sell it all in a day.

I beg to differ. He committed to a purchase, and the terms of the deal. I’m out $21,600. How did I not get burned?

[General Geoff]

I beg to differ. He committed to a purchase, and the terms of the deal. I’m out $21,600. How did I not get burned?

Do you have any documentation about the specifics of this commitment? If it was just a verbal, over-the-phone agreement without details, then it's your word against his as to the terms of said contract, including delivery time.

[damcv62]

Do you have any documentation about the specifics of this commitment? If it was just a verbal, over-the-phone agreement without details, then it's your word against his as to the terms of said contract, including delivery time.

By text messages. Which I’m sure are useless. Which is fine, as long as the community knows he is a sleaze ball? I’ll deal with court costs on my own.

[bogey1]

.60 a round is still to high for me . I remember plinking that crap like it were .22s.
Thas a lot of moolah..

[Walleye Hunter]

.60 a round is still to high for me . I remember plinking that crap like it were .22s.
Thas a lot of moolah..

$.50 was a decent price before TSHTF here. I don't know what it's going for now but it's probably sell-able at $.60 or so, maybe even more.

ETA: Yep, $.90/ea at Midway right now.

[Daycrawler]

$.50 was a decent price before TSHTF here. I don't know what it's going for now but it's probably sell-able at $.60 or so, maybe even more.

ETA: Yep, $.90/ea at Midway right now.

With or without links? They hold a value all their own. EDIT, found it the same amount ordered from mid way would be $32,544 and I never checked on shipping.