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    Gender confusion is a mental illness

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    Some explanation:

    https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020...-restrictions/

    Judge Denies Gov. Tom Wolf*s Motion, Shutdown Order And Gathering Limits Still Unconstitutional
    September 22, 2020 at 2:39 pm

    HARRISBURG (KDKA/AP) * A judge has denied the state*s motion to stay on the federal ruling that called Gov. Tom Wolf*s pandemic restrictions unconstitutional.

    Pennsylvania*s top lawyer asked a federal judge last week to retain Gov. Tom Wolf*s limits on crowd size, at least for now, warning that allowing large groups to congregate during a legal battle over Wolf*s public health orders *will result in people*s deaths* from the coronavirus.

    The office of Attorney General Josh Shapiro asked the judge, an appointee of President Donald Trump, to delay enforcement of his ruling that many of the Democratic governor*s pandemic shutdown orders were unconstitutional.

    But on Tuesday, U.S. District Judge William Stickman IV denied the motion to stay.

    Stickman ruled last week against the state*s current size limits on indoor and outdoor gatherings, saying they violate citizens* constitutional right to assemble. The state has been enforcing a gathering limit of more than 25 people for events held indoors and more than 250 people for those held outside.

    Shapiro*s office, which is representing the Wolf administration in its planned appeal, said in court documents that Stickman*s ruling *does not consider the manner in which COVID-19 is spread or the rationale for adopting the congregate limits.* Its request for a stay also pointed out that other federal judges, and the Pennsylvania Supreme Court, have upheld Wolf*s pandemic shutdown orders.
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    2020's looking up.
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    So the motion to stay was denied, but dick-tater is still appealing. So...still where we were a week ago?
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    https://htv-prod-media.s3.amazonaws....1cLEkpHLeLHz24

    Edit: beat me to it...

    Nothing will change until everyone wakes the hell up and actually stops following the unconstitutional orders ruled on here...which is unlikely to happen because everyone is so damn afraid if the would’ve and could’ve and what might happen if they think for themselves...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pens87pgh View Post
    So the motion to stay was denied, but dick-tater is still appealing. So...still where we were a week ago?
    At this point it looks like it's in our hands now. If the businesses want to follow his illegal orders I suppose they can but if they don't want to it looks like they don't have to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodwanderer View Post
    https://htv-prod-media.s3.amazonaws....1cLEkpHLeLHz24

    Edit: beat me to it...

    Nothing will change until everyone wakes the hell up and actually stops following the unconstitutional orders ruled on here...which is unlikely to happen because everyone is so damn afraid if the would*ve and could*ve and what might happen if they think for themselves...
    That has to start with the stores, and I dont see that happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogey1 View Post
    That has to start with the stores, and I dont see that happening.
    Especially restaurants with liquor licenses to be lost - even with this ruling it's reasonable for them to be afraid of asshole's Gestapo coming around and shutting them down (albeit illegally)
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    Quote Originally Posted by pens87pgh View Post
    Especially restaurants with liquor licenses to be lost - even with this ruling it's reasonable for them to be afraid of asshole's Gestapo coming around and shutting them down (albeit illegally)
    One thing I have read repeatedly is that a warning comes with first offense, then corrective action on second offense. I'd have at least gone for that first warning.
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    Despite all the continued BLARING PANIC about the number of cases of Coronavirus, more facts are bubbling to the surface that often go uncited and mostly ignored.

    Here is a story about the Drop In The Death Rate of Patients Who Are HOSPITALIZED. Remember, this is not a percentage of the population - It's not even a percentage of those who contract the Coronavirus - It is related to those who contracted the illness with enough severity that they were hospitalized. That is a small percent of those who contracted it, and an even smaller percent of the whole population.

    The Summary: "Patients in the study had a 25.6% chance of dying at the start of the pandemic; they now have a 7.6% chance." (Remember, this is of those hospitalized.)

    Source: NPR (can you believe it?)
    https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...19-death-rates

    Studies Point To Big Drop In COVID-19 Death Rates
    October 20, 20204:42 PM ET


    Two new peer-reviewed studies are showing a sharp drop in mortality among hospitalized COVID-19 patients. The drop is seen in all groups, including older patients and those with underlying conditions, suggesting that physicians are getting better at helping patients survive their illness.

    "We find that the death rate has gone down substantially," says Leora Horwitz, a doctor who studies population health at New York University's Grossman School of Medicine and an author on one of the studies, which looked at thousands of patients from March to August.

    The study, which was of a single health system, finds that mortality has dropped among hospitalized patients by 18 percentage points since the pandemic began. Patients in the study had a 25.6% chance of dying at the start of the pandemic; they now have a 7.6% chance.

    That's a big improvement, but 7.6% is still a high risk compared with other diseases, and Horwitz and other researchers caution that COVID-19 remains dangerous.

    The death rate "is still higher than many infectious diseases, including the flu," Horwitz says. And those who recover can suffer complications for months or even longer. "It still has the potential to be very harmful in terms of long-term consequences for many people."

    Studying changes in death rate is tricky because although the overall U.S. death rate for COVID-19 seems to be dropping, the drop coincides with a change in whom the disease is sickening.

    "The people who are getting hospitalized now tend to be much younger, tend to have fewer other diseases and tend to be less frail than people who were hospitalized in the early days of the epidemic," Horwitz says.

    So have death rates dropped because of improvements in treatments? Or is it because of the change in who's getting sick?

    To find out, Horwitz and her colleagues looked at more than 5,000 hospitalizations in the NYU Langone Health system between March and August. They adjusted for factors including age and other diseases, such as diabetes, to rule out the possibility that the numbers had dropped only because younger, healthier people were getting diagnosed. They found that death rates dropped for all groups, even older patients by 18 percentage points on average.

    The research, an earlier version of which was shared online as a preprint in August, will appear next week in the Journal of Hospital Medicine.

    "I would classify this as a silver lining to what has been quite a hard time for many people," says Bilal Mateen, a data science fellow at the Alan Turing Institute in the United Kingdom. He has conducted his own research of 21,000 hospitalized cases in England, which also found a similarly sharp drop in the death rate. The work, which will soon appear in the journal Critical Care Medicine and was released earlier in preprint, shows an unadjusted drop in death rates among hospitalized patients of around 20 percentage points since the worst days of the pandemic.

    Mateen says drops are clear across ages, underlying conditions and racial groups. Although the paper does not provide adjusted mortality statistics, his rough estimates are comparable to those Horwitz and her team found in New York.

    "Clearly, there's been something [that's] gone on that's improved the risk of individuals who go into these settings with COVID-19," he says.

    Horwitz and others believe many things have led to the drop in the death rate. "All of the above is often the right answer in medicine, and I think that's the case here, too," she says.

    Doctors around the country say that they're doing a lot of things differently in the fight against COVID-19 and that treatment is improving. "In March and April, you got put on a breathing machine, and we asked your family if they wanted to enroll you into some different trials we were participating in, and we hoped for the best," says Khalilah Gates, a critical care pulmonologist at Northwestern Memorial Hospital in Chicago. "Six plus months into this, we kind of have a rhythm, and so it has become an everyday standard patient for us at this point in time."

    Doctors have gotten better at quickly recognizing when COVID-19 patients are at risk of experiencing blood clots or debilitating "cytokine storms," where the body's immune system turns on itself, says Amesh Adalja, an infectious disease, critical care and emergency medicine physician who works at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security.

    He says that doctors have developed standardized treatments that have been promulgated by groups such as the Infectious Diseases Society of America.

    "We know that when people are getting standardized treatment, it makes it much easier to deal with the complications that occur because you already have protocols in place," Adalja says. "And that's definitely what's happened in many hospitals around the country."

    But Horwitz and Mateen say that factors outside of doctors' control are also playing a role in driving down mortality. Horwitz believes that mask-wearing may be helping by reducing the initial dose of virus a person receives, thereby lessening the overall severity of illness for many patients.

    And Mateen says that his data strongly suggest that keeping hospitals below their maximum capacity also helps to increase survival rates. When cases surge and hospitals fill up, "staff are stretched, mistakes are made, it's no one's fault * it's that the system isn't built to operate near 100%," he says.

    For these reasons, Horwitz and Mateen believe that masking and social distancing will continue to play a big role in keeping the mortality rate down, especially as the U.S. and U.K. move into the fall and winter months.

    Gates adds that the takeaway definitely should not be to cast the mask aside. There is still no cure for this disease, and even patients who recover can have long-term side effects. "A lot of my patients are still complaining of shortness of breath," she says. "Some of them have persistent changes on their CT scans and impacts on their lung functions."

    And many people will continue to die, even if the rate has dropped. A recent estimate by the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation suggests the total death count could reach well over 300,000 Americans by February.

    "I do think this is good news," Horwitz says of her research findings, "but it does not make the coronavirus a benign illness."
    All the more reason people should have a right to choose what risk they are willing to take. Those who feel they are at too much risk should isolate from the rest of the functioning population. This will allow the healthy risk-takers to go about their lives without giving up their life and livelihood to protect those small numbers of at-risk people.

    The Coronavirus is NOT benign, but it is NOT a death sentence to everyone that is exposed to it, NOR even to everyone who contracts it.


    Questions:
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    What are the current statistics for contraction of other virus'?
    Are those more common illnesses (especially during the flu season) now being counted as Coronavirus cases?
    Will there be a distinction made (published numbers) between the Novel Coronavirus & other cases?
    Are more people (less severe cases) going to the hospital for care now compared to earlier?

    There is still MUCH DISTORTED MISINFORMATION and LACK OF INFORMATION in/out of the prevailing reports!

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