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    Default Re: Erie 2a harrasment

    Quote Originally Posted by Daycrawler View Post
    ***EDIT it was posted 3/19/2020*** Since I didn't catch a date I may be wrong. If we are in a state of emergency, he can be identified and must turn over his ID. While it looks like the cop took his wallet I do not agree with that. If this is current and now during the SOE, the guy is wrong. If its not the cops are wrong. In that case he should sue them, he has all the evidence he needs.
    Why? Cops had no lawful reason to stop him?

    And that doesn’t even get into questions of if the SOE is legal.

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    Last edited by PAMedic=F|A=; March 21st, 2020 at 08:30 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manxdriver View Post
    My USAF Desk Sergeant used to tell us, “NEVER fuck with an old man! The fact that he is old means he has been fucked over lots of times, and you just might be the one that sends him over the edge. In which case, you get a parade. You just will not get to see it.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAMedic=F|A= View Post
    Why? Cops had no lawful reason to stop him?

    And that doesn’t even get into questions of if the SOE is legal.

    Good to see you btw.

    I call all of these SOE's into question. During an SOE you need no reason to stop an OC'er. Neither the cops or the idiot in the video new the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAMedic=F|A= View Post
    Assess risk, just like I would anytime someone is at the end of my driveway.
    How would the threat assessment happen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daycrawler View Post
    I call all of these SOE's into question. During an SOE you need no reason to stop an OC'er. Neither the cops or the idiot in the video new the law.
    I would argue that the PA Supreme Court says otherwise in Commonwealth v. Hicks. The mere presence of a firearm, absent any other reason, is not a valid reason for a stop. I am well aware of the LTCF requirement during any declared SOE. To me, the Court is clear on this, whether it is a concealed carrier (LTCF required) or an open carrier during SOE (LTCF required) there is no difference. Just my two cents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daycrawler View Post
    I call all of these SOE's into question. During an SOE you need no reason to stop an OC'er. Neither the cops or the idiot in the video new the law.
    Huh? You still need reasonable, articulable suspicion that a crime is happening, is about to happen, or has happened. Correct or not? If you have reason to believe that the person does not have an LTCF (for example, you talked to him a few weeks ago and he told you he only open carries because he doesn't have an LTCF), then sure.

    But barring that, how can you simply stop anybody who is opening carrying during a SOE?

    Driver's licenses are required by anybody operating a motor vehicle (at any time, let along a SOE), can you stop anybody driving a car to check for driver's licenses?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ar15jules View Post
    How would the threat assessment happen?
    You must’ve lived a very sheltered life if you don’t have any idea how to conduct a basic risk assessment. On if people are good or bad. I would suggest that you take some classes
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAMedic=F|A= View Post
    You must’ve lived a very sheltered life if you don’t have any idea how to conduct a basic risk assessment. On if people are good or bad. I would suggest that you take some classes

    I know what I would do. I am asking YOU, how YOU would determine if the guy wearing trauma plates and carrying an AR-15 rifle standing on the public roadway near your driveway was a threat or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAMedic=F|A= View Post
    Right now is the perfect time to make sure they stay in line. This investigative detention was illegal.

    Every officer involved should be suspended.
    Rep limit....correct Now is the time!!
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    Lets talk about the end of the video. Note that the OC'r was carrying handcuffs. LEO's insinuated that he could be charged with impersonating a Police Officer. That is where the Erie PD used some discretion. Given how the OC'r was dressed, he could have been perceived as LEO. However, he was not reported as exhibiting LE behaivor. My question is should a CC or OC'r carry handcuffs? It makes sense. But is it a good idea??
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