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Thread: Is it time to accept it?
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October 20th, 2008, 10:42 PM #1
Is it time to accept it?
Is it time to accept Pennsylvania is no longer a battleground state? It's gone blue the last 4 elections, and it doesn't look to promising this election.
Are we slipping into the cluster of North East liberal states?
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October 20th, 2008, 11:19 PM #2
Re: Is it time to accept it?
In 2000 Gore won PA by 4%
In 2004 Kerry by 1.5%
The state is in play
Hey, you know what often overstates Obama's support?
—Jack M.
Polls.
The Obama Glee Club at the Politico took a 5 minute break from singing his praises today, to report on a curious fact: exit polls tend to, get this, OVERSTATE Obama's support.
Really, Politico? You don't say. It's not like Conservatives and PUMA's have been making this claim since Super Tuesday. Oh wait. Yeah, we have.
Anyway, I read the Politico so you don't have to (you lucky, lucky bastards) and here is an interesting nugget buried in their article:
In theory, exit polls should match election results. But for all the care that goes into conducting accurate exit polls, errant results aren’t completely uncommon. Respected polling analyst Mark Blumenthal found that during the Democratic primaries this year, preliminary exit polls overestimated Obama's strength in 18 of 20 states, by an average error of 7 percentage points, based on leaked early results.
The reason? Obama’s supporters were younger, better educated and often more enthusiastic than Hillary Clinton's, meaning they were more likely to participate in exit polls.
How bad is it? Check out 2004:
In the end, Kerry’s vote was overstated in 26 states. The same was true for Bush in four states, according to a detailed post election analysis by Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International, who administer the exit poll for the NEP.
Now, this raises a question that Politico doesn't address. If an "enthusiasm gap" is responsible for skewing exit polls, why isn't an "enthusiasm gap" responsible for skewing pre-election day polling?
And if there were ever a year when one would be looking at polls and pondering "enthusiasm" doesn't it seem like that would be a metric that would be favoring Obama right now? After all, your own article says his voters have a history of getting all up in peoples face and "bragging" about their vote.
I'm just askin' questions, here. You know. Like journalists are supposed to do.
Anyway, make of this what you will. An average error of 7 points for the One is amazingly high, though, given that usually the margin of error is around 3.5%.
Meanwhile, as Politico begins hedging its Obama bets in the wake of tightening polls, Peggy Noonan has fired her lawn boy for failing to cut the grass in the counter-clockwise swirls that gives her home-field advantage in her gated communities croquet tournament.
Of every one hundred men in battle, ten should not even be there. Eighty, are nothing but targets. Nine are the real fighters, we are lucky to have them since they make the battle. Ah, but the one—one is the Warrior—and he brings the others home. —Heracletus
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October 20th, 2008, 11:34 PM #3
Re: Is it time to accept it?
Polls almost always favor the dem candidate. mostly because most people polled are dems.
Anyone putting any weight in those polls is wasting their time.
'Stay the course"_________________________________________
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you won't, I will not sit with my thumb up my bum and complain, because you will.
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October 20th, 2008, 11:47 PM #4
Re: Is it time to accept it?
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October 21st, 2008, 02:05 AM #5
Re: Is it time to accept it?
out of state college students should only be allowed to vote red in PA...that would solve all of your problems...
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