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    Default Re: Annual Harrisburg Rally - June 8, 2020 - Save the date

    Quote Originally Posted by Berncly View Post
    Walleye,

    We are in a fight to preserve the 2A for ourselves and our posterity.
    Our fight for the 2A is only one battle in the larger war to preserve our country and our freedom.

    I will stand with any person or organization that will truly help preserve our rights and our freedom.
    I will especially stand with organizations like GOA and FOAC who do more to preserve the 2A in a day than most do in a lifetime.

    To get sidetracked by slights and mixed messaging is counterproductive to our cause.
    No one is going to care about any of these trivial things if we lose the 2A and our country to a bunch of fanatical fascist Socialists.

    The value of PAFOA to the 2A is entirely dependent on our ability to work in partnership with important organizations like GOA and FOAC.
    It is incumbent upon each of us to recognize the part we play in this larger effort, and to direct our energies towards our common goal of preserving the 2A.

    Fighting anyone and everyone for not seeing things exactly our way is not leadership, it is hubris, and it hurts us all.
    This kind of infighting in the open forum does incredible damage to our overall effort to preserve the 2A in PA.

    People were upset about things, much time was diverted seeking clarification, and corrections were posted.
    That should be enough for any reasonable partner in this larger effort.

    Please, as a favor to me, let this go.
    Please help us focus on the bigger picture of preserving the 2A, our country, and our freedom.

    Bern-
    Leadership does not mean "My Way Or The Highway", which seems to be the method or thought process of some of the leaders organizing this event. I am not going to the event because GOA or FOAC or even Representative Metcalfe invited me, I am taking the opportunity to express my beliefs about our inalienable rights through my presence. A real leader does not judge or force his or her opinion of what is proper on those asked to follow or provide support to the cause. A true leader respects the opinions of others who share the same goals in the struggle for freedom, even if those opinions differ. I have not paid much attention to who said what, or who requested what on behalf of whom, but it does not really matter to me, either. When a public official, or a private group hoping to influence public policy, calls together a disparate group of people who share the same end goal, the official or group needs to expect many who attend to have their own subset of goals, and methods to achieve those goals, and accept those methods and people as they are, not try to stifle them, which is what it comes across as. I have no intention of going inside, even if allowed, so my peaceful presence outside, increasing the numbers, with or without a longarm, is my contribution to this event. A true leader would be happy with that support.
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    Default Re: Annual Harrisburg Rally - June 8, 2020 - Save the date

    Quote Originally Posted by longcall911 View Post
    At the risk of being accused of not letting it go, I wish to state that it is not my intent to further the division but rather, to work toward a possible solution.

    Simple fact: This is Metcalfe’s rally. It’s no one else’s. We are all attending this rally at Metcalfe’s invitation. The only dress code requests that we should be accommodating are Metcalfe’s. In years past, he has requested business casual attire because the sole purpose of the rally was to lobby lawmakers in their offices. And, business casual is the standard for all groups conducting such activity in the Capitol.

    Now, looking at the issue a bit deeper, it is clear to me that we have two major factions within the 2A community. We have those who primarily focus on legislation, and those who primarily focus on publically exercising our rights by OC of handguns and long-guns. Both groups are right, and both are essential to the cause.

    What is missing at times is cooperation between the two.

    It seems to me that if the legislation group holds an action, the OC group should do its best to dress the part as requested and provide warm bodies. Alternatively, if the OC group is hosting an event, the legislative group should also show up in total support, without complaints about dress code (or lack thereof).

    Bottom line, do we have general agreement that it is the host who makes the rules for any given event and that we should either individually accommodate those rules, or simply not attend, rather than to try to force our group’s rules upon the host?

    In this case Metcalfe is making no specific requests regarding OC. So, no one else really gets a say.

    If an Open Carry group hosts a rally in Pittsburgh and says “OC is welcome” then no one else really has the right to demand CC, or “no rifles”. But, everyone is always encouraged to attend all events because all are critically important.

    I think it starts with an understanding that we are two major groups and that each group has its reasons for their event rules, and that we should do all we can to turn out for one another’s events while accommodating the host’s requests.
    Sorry, but no, I do not agree to such a thing. When a publicly elected official, or a private group hoping to rally support to influence publicly elected officials and policy, puts out a call for support to show strength in numbers, they must be prepared to accept all who share the goal, despite differences of opinion or methods. It is incumbent upon the leaders to respect all who wish to attend peacefully, as does every member of this forum I know who OC's and wants to carry a longarm.
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    Default Re: Annual Harrisburg Rally - June 8, 2020 - Save the date

    Can the OP please update the first post with relevant info such as parking and such?
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    Default Re: Annual Harrisburg Rally - June 8, 2020 - Save the date

    Quote Originally Posted by JustinHEMI View Post
    Can the OP please update the first post with relevant info such as parking and such?
    Good call.
    It would also be good to confirm if the rally is going to be on the steps or by the fountain.
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    Default Re: Annual Harrisburg Rally - June 8, 2020 - Save the date

    Quote Originally Posted by longcall911 View Post
    At the risk of being accused of not letting it go, I wish to state that it is not my intent to further the division but rather, to work toward a possible solution.

    Simple fact: This is Metcalfe’s rally. It’s no one else’s. We are all attending this rally at Metcalfe’s invitation. The only dress code requests that we should be accommodating are Metcalfe’s. In years past, he has requested business casual attire because the sole purpose of the rally was to lobby lawmakers in their offices. And, business casual is the standard for all groups conducting such activity in the Capitol.

    Now, looking at the issue a bit deeper, it is clear to me that we have two major factions within the 2A community. We have those who primarily focus on legislation, and those who primarily focus on publically exercising our rights by OC of handguns and long-guns. Both groups are right, and both are essential to the cause.

    What is missing at times is cooperation between the two.

    It seems to me that if the legislation group holds an action, the OC group should do its best to dress the part as requested and provide warm bodies. Alternatively, if the OC group is hosting an event, the legislative group should also show up in total support, without complaints about dress code (or lack thereof).

    Bottom line, do we have general agreement that it is the host who makes the rules for any given event and that we should either individually accommodate those rules, or simply not attend, rather than to try to force our group’s rules upon the host?

    In this case Metcalfe is making no specific requests regarding OC. So, no one else really gets a say.

    If an Open Carry group hosts a rally in Pittsburgh and says “OC is welcome” then no one else really has the right to demand CC, or “no rifles”. But, everyone is always encouraged to attend all events because all are critically important.

    I think it starts with an understanding that we are two major groups and that each group has its reasons for their event rules, and that we should do all we can to turn out for one another’s events while accommodating the host’s requests.

    Melcalfe may organize the rally but he doesn't control our rights any more or less than Tom Wolf. If the rally was in his personal backyard with his kids and dog in the yard, then yes, we should respect any requests...but this is in public space, outside of the Capitol we pay to stay open, speaking to public servants we pay.

    If anyone wants to carry anything, the Constitution, and our God-given rights carry more weight than a politician from either side.



    It's not "Melcalfe's rally", it's a rally for everyone, organized by Metcalfe. If he didn't do it, someone else would or we'd do it on our own. He didn't write the Constitution, he doesn't get to make the rules and the point of the rally this year, is to send that exact message to the Governor/Dictator trying to stop us from living as free Americans. I have a ton of respect for Metcalfe and am glad he's on our side, but in the end, he's no more important than any of us just because of his career choice and job title.
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    Default Re: Annual Harrisburg Rally - June 8, 2020 - Save the date

    Quote Originally Posted by Berncly View Post
    Good call.
    It would also be good to confirm if the rally is going to be on the steps or by the fountain.
    BOTH!


    Also, did we ever get confirmation on if the firearms check will be operating? I could see it being closed for the day.

    I'd like to go inside for our usual lobbying visits, but I do not want to take my firearm to my car in Harrisburg, or anywhere. I'll still carry, but that'll determine if I need to talk to them by email or in person.
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    Default Re: Annual Harrisburg Rally - June 8, 2020 - Save the date

    Quote Originally Posted by alpacaheat View Post
    BOTH!


    Also, did we ever get confirmation on if the firearms check will be operating? I could see it being closed for the day.

    I'd like to go inside for our usual lobbying visits, but I do not want to take my firearm to my car in Harrisburg, or anywhere. I'll still carry, but that'll determine if I need to talk to them by email or in person.
    I was looking around last night to see if the building would actually be open that day due to their change in color status, but couldn't find anything. I'm going with the assumption at this point that it'll be closed especially since wolf and the other libtards won't want us in there anyway. Hell, he tried to cancel the entire thing.

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    Default Re: Annual Harrisburg Rally - June 8, 2020 - Save the date

    Quote Originally Posted by alpacaheat View Post
    BOTH!


    Also, did we ever get confirmation on if the firearms check will be operating? I could see it being closed for the day.

    I'd like to go inside for our usual lobbying visits, but I do not want to take my firearm to my car in Harrisburg, or anywhere. I'll still carry, but that'll determine if I need to talk to them by email or in person.
    The last I heard us minions were not allowed inside of our Capitol Building and I don't expect that to change by June 8th.

    And your other post is right, we're not in anyone's back yard, we're at our Capitol Building, out in public. Some people will just never get it.
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    Default Re: Annual Harrisburg Rally - June 8, 2020 - Save the date

    Pardon me not reading the fifty pages, but is there a poofa meet up for this?
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    Default Re: Annual Harrisburg Rally - June 8, 2020 - Save the date

    Quote Originally Posted by lts1ow View Post
    Pardon me not reading the fifty pages, but is there a poofa meet up for this?
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