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February 7th, 2020, 11:07 AM #121
Re: Annual Harrisburg Rally - June 8, 2020 - Save the date
Yes, perhaps it could be better. Then again, most things in life could be improved... :-)
My only point is that sitting around bitching about it doesn't accomplish much of anything. If the guys here want a better flyer, they should consider doing one. Get together, develop a message and hire a graphics designer to produce the artwork. Even if that doesn't happen this year, do it for next year and send it to Metcalfe's office for his consideration.
BTW: I agree that we need those gun owners with different views. But I have to say, it am totally disgusted with their lack of action and I don't think that a nice, "please come to h-burg" flyer that is not political or does not call out socialism is going to motivate them. I believe that it is totally on us, the activists, the small minority of those willing to get up off our asses and work, to fight this battle for the preservation of our rights. I want as many as possible in h-burg, but personally, I don't believe a flyer will motivate the unmotivatable. The rest of us are already motivated. For us, the flyer just outlines this year's theme and gives this year's date.Help us restore election integrity in PA. Join PA Voters United
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February 7th, 2020, 12:02 PM #122
Re: Annual Harrisburg Rally - June 8, 2020 - Save the date
"The point" you made in the last sentence is ten thousand times better than the message that image and headline portrays.
Actually, random people shouldn't be "making flyers" - it should be coming from a centralized point - the organizers.
This is what happens when people "make their own flyers".
And no, I will tell people about the rally, but I would not hand that flyer out anywhere.
If "what matters" is getting people there, then the poor flyer should be scrapped.
One of the most basic concepts in advertising in regards to the contents of an advertisement is this: EVERY element should be there for a REASON - if it's not helping to convey the message, it's hurting."
The "Smoking gun" is a perfect example.
People with no design background may not see the "issue" - they were just looking around for a picture of a GUN to add to the flyer. Gun guys will give a standing ovation for any flyer that has a gun in it. That's just the way it is.
It's the same way if I whip up a shitty logo for a lawn care guy - type his name in any font and throw a lawnmower or blade of grass in it, and "WOW! THAT'S AWESOME!" (when it's not)
Most people don't really know what's good or bad about design - because that isn't their skill.
I hope he reconsiders posting that particular flyer online.
Bitching about it is a good thing, if it prompts a positive change in the design.
The hiring of a graphic designer should have been done FIRST, not AFTER a weak design is out into circulation.
I try to stay out of these debates about advertising, the way other professionals likely avoid discussions about their skill set when it's clear that "the mob" knows not what they speak of, and are unwilling to accept advice.
I'm in the process of getting together some resources to try to assist with pro 2A graphics. Too late to do much for this rally in terms of helping the official organizers, but maybe I can in some other way.
We shall see. It's been a while since I've DONE design work - it's still in my head, but the technical/computer skills are going to need some brushing up on.
I may even regret this. LOLI called to check my ZIP CODE!....DY-NO-MITE!!!
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February 7th, 2020, 12:10 PM #123
Re: Annual Harrisburg Rally - June 8, 2020 - Save the date
Are they even being reached out too? If so if they are not coming out then maybe they are not being provided the proper message. We live in the day and age of identity politics where many wear their cause on their sleeves and that statement applies for a shit ton of people on this site so yes there may need to be multiple flyers made or perhaps one that brings us all together on this one occasion for one reason under one banner. One tiny group of people is not going to keep the rights of everyone from being trampled on so that mentality has to be changed right now. If VA united before the election like this did this past rally there would have been no need for the rally.
Here is a direct example of exactly what I am talking about.
http://forum.pafoa.org/showthread.php?t=356738Join the GOA & save $5.00. https://www.gunowners.org/mac-subs-join-goa.htm
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February 7th, 2020, 12:17 PM #124
Re: Annual Harrisburg Rally - June 8, 2020 - Save the date
The smoking gun next to the stand your ground against socialism is a bit over the top, when you consider we have called even moderate republians "socialist" recently. That's the off putting part mainly for anyone that's a gun owner that isn't a Conservative. Unfortunately we've thrown the socialist word around to much and diluted it's meaning, just like Nazi from the other side. It'll be associated that way and we need to start appealing more to the less Conservative side of the gun owning community IMHO.
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February 7th, 2020, 12:27 PM #125
Re: Annual Harrisburg Rally - June 8, 2020 - Save the date
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February 7th, 2020, 12:29 PM #126
Re: Annual Harrisburg Rally - June 8, 2020 - Save the date
Great. if you, or anyone else, has talent and time then do it. I agree that one flyer is better than a few different ones, but if not liking the one we have stops someone from distributing it, I say by all means make one that you'll distribute.
I think that people may have a bit of a misconception about this rally and its organization. Surely, we don't have some professional, well-paid, corporate team out there doing this rally. It is really just Metcalfe and probably some limited staff. I suspect that there are laws on how much his office can do. What they can't, it seems some volunteers tend to pick up.
So, the expectation of some, seems to be out of line with reality. If folks here can produce a better product, get involved. Produce a quality draft and submit it for next year.Help us restore election integrity in PA. Join PA Voters United
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February 7th, 2020, 01:12 PM #127
Re: Annual Harrisburg Rally - June 8, 2020 - Save the date
I think the answer is a definite, "yes, some have tried reaching out, but no the target audience is not being reached". However, I don't think that the message is the sole reason. I believe that it is one of many. The biggest reason though (IMO) is that we expect those others to come to us. They don't and won't, regardless of the message. The fact is, we must go to them.
Imagine standing at one end of a football field and hollering to 5 guys at the other end who don't know you, "hey come here". They are most likely going to stay put. Now imagine going to them, joining the conversation, and then after a while, asking them to walk to the other end of field were you were previously. They are likely to go with you, but now, the message of why we're going plays an important role.
I speak from direct experience. The unmotivated will not get motivated by any number of flyers, or the best message in the world. To motivate them, we must go to them, win them over, and ask them to follow our lead. That's when the message becomes most important.Help us restore election integrity in PA. Join PA Voters United
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February 7th, 2020, 01:57 PM #128Senior Member
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Re: Annual Harrisburg Rally - June 8, 2020 - Save the date
I want to further emphasize that I am thankful there are people putting their time and energy into organizing this rally and making the flyer. I know it's easy for me to throw stones when I'm not the one putting in volunteer time making it. I'm only providing my honest feedback to try to help.
My thoughts are that no one is going to be "convinced" to come to the rally by seeing a flyer. If someone isn't inclined to come, no flyer will change their mind. I think a flyer serves to inform people who ARE inclined to come, but may not know about it. In that respect a flyer should be simple and to the point. Tell people there's a rally supporting the 2A/Article 1 Section 21, it's important, where, and when. Supporting information about WHY it's important can be provided either on a website (linked by QR code for example) or in unobtrusive text on the flyer.
I really think if someone can't tell what the flyer is about at first glance they will probably just ignore it. I personally don't think it's clear at first glance what the flyer is for.
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February 7th, 2020, 02:01 PM #129
Re: Annual Harrisburg Rally - June 8, 2020 - Save the date
Life has a melody. Not great, not terrible.
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February 7th, 2020, 02:01 PM #130
Re: Annual Harrisburg Rally - June 8, 2020 - Save the date
A good thing would be to list all the current anti bills that are in, like the elimination of stand our ground. There's lots of people out their concealed carrying or have a single hand gun for personal defense that might be interested in knowing that and making sure it's squashed.
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