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    Default House Pushing Red Flag Bills Through Committee Next Week

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    Default Re: House Pushing Red Flag Bills Through Committee Next Week

    Let's get serious here.
    They Are Coming for Your Shit.
    Get real.
    Keep that in mind.
    Do what you Have to do.
    Keep your mouth shut.
    Don't tell ANYONE what you have, or where it is.
    "He who is Brave, is Free" Seneca
    Si vis pacem, Para bellum
    To every man upon this earth, death cometh, soon or late

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    Default Re: House Pushing Red Flag Bills Through Committee Next Week

    Quote Originally Posted by DonBiase View Post
    Let's get serious here.
    They Are Coming for Your Shit.
    Get real.
    Keep that in mind.
    Do what you Have to do.
    Keep your mouth shut.
    Don't tell ANYONE what you have, or where it is.
    And don't believe what the news and authorities say about "that crazy man" whose home they barged into and killed him.
    --ET

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    Default Re: House Pushing Red Flag Bills Through Committee Next Week

    Are you kidding? It's over 6 minutes. Do you think that anyone here would watch this vid? LOL.

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    Someone explain, What possible benefit would come from a NATIONAL red flag law? Is there a federal court that will hear the complaint and issue an order for the FBI to serve a warrant and collect one's guns? How when NO federal laws are likely to broken? Nearly every state has a law similar to PA's Section 302 which may be used to force one into an involuntary period for psychiatric evaluation, though eval. period and outcome if found to be or not to be a threat or psychotic vary from state to state, yet few seem to willing to use it, witness Holmes, Loughner and Cruz.


    "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities".

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    Quote Originally Posted by stainless View Post
    Are you kidding? It's over 6 minutes. Do you think that anyone here would watch this vid? LOL.
    I would absolutely watch a quality produced video, one where the presenter doesn't waste my time taking 2/3 of the video to tell me what he's going to tell me; e.g., Munsingwear, Nutinfancy, and Hickock45.

    Ain't nobody got time fo' dat.

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    Default Re: House Pushing Red Flag Bills Through Committee Next Week

    You sort of answered your own question. In an ideal world, a federal red flag law would set a minimum standard to apply so that law enforcement has an objective guide to follow.

    Therein lies the problem right now with the concept.
    -An acceptable red flag law would need to apply judicial "due process" that would survive review and appeals all the way to scotus.
    -Police and the DA would have to be willing to follow a set administrative process to apply it as well.

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    Default Re: House Pushing Red Flag Bills Through Committee Next Week

    Quote Originally Posted by Brick View Post
    Someone explain, What possible benefit would come from a NATIONAL red flag law? Is there a federal court that will hear the complaint and issue an order for the FBI to serve a warrant and collect one's guns? How when NO federal laws are likely to broken? Nearly every state has a law similar to PA's Section 302 which may be used to force one into an involuntary period for psychiatric evaluation, though eval. period and outcome if found to be or not to be a threat or psychotic vary from state to state, yet few seem to willing to use it, witness Holmes, Loughner and Cruz.

    Thank you. Most of these shooters were not caught up in 302/Baker Act whatever.

    Cruz, the puke who shot up the Parkland High School, was requested to be Bakered. Never went through.



    Red Flag on a Federal level is mental masturbation. At most Congress can pull the Reagan/MADD routine and blackmail States into passing such a law. They could entice with funding.


    The day that Federal Law is enforced in local Courts will be the start of very interesting times.

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    Default Re: House Pushing Red Flag Bills Through Committee Next Week

    Quote Originally Posted by Ecclectic Collector View Post
    You sort of answered your own question. In an ideal world, a federal red flag law would set a minimum standard to apply so that law enforcement has an objective guide to follow.

    Therein lies the problem right now with the concept.
    -An acceptable red flag law would need to apply judicial "due process" that would survive review and appeals all the way to scotus.
    -Police and the DA would have to be willing to follow a set administrative process to apply it as well.


    Except that Red Flag on its face is Ex Parte hearings. Your property is stolen at gun point on the orders of a judge. Based upon someone else's suspicion.

    We already have that with PFAs in PA. Except that the complainant has to allege a threat against them.

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