Pro-gun argument

[jamesriverrifle]

Hi Yanks, I just joined this forum and I look forward to hearing from my Northern cousins. I wanted to sent the below article. If you have seen it before, it's worth the read time again. Also, it,s great to pass alone to your anti-gun friends (if you have any). The main stream media is telling us that Va and Pa are election swing states that's leaning toward Obama, and hopefully that all patrotic Virginians and Pennsylvanians will prove them wrong.

Take care and stay safe.
jamesriverrifle

The Gun is Civilization

Marko Kloos

Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it.

In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force. The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gangbanger, and a single gay guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.

There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat--it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed. People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.

Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser. People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level. The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weightlifter. It simply wouldn't work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable.

When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation...and that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act.

[LittleRedToyota]

welcome to the forum you dang reb!

glad to see another virginian on the forum. we've got a few others here as well.

our commonwealths actually seem to have a lot in common in the fight for gun rights. it's good for us to stick together!

[Bmarshall91]

I didn't know you southerners knew such big words like "Hi" and "my" hahahaha. just ribbin ya. good post! welkom to the fourums big guy!

[WhiteFeather]

jamesriverrifle welcome to the forums, nice post and "you all" are right, its just as good reading it more than once.

Sadly the RINO running for President reminds me of another one that sorta ran for the office back in 1996 in the same RINO manor.

Voting against someone in the choice of the lesser of two evils.
Doesn't get people excited like voting FOR someone does..

Sure wish Ron Paul was still in the race then I would be voting FOR someone instead of against someone.

[Robert Kayland]

Welcome to the fray with the rest of us hornswagglers!

Good article... there was a saying in the Old West along the lines of:

"God may have created all men equal, but Colt kept 'em that way!"

[4XLT]

welcome !! great first post

[gf45acp]

Welcome to the forum!

[Nic]

Welcome to the forum. Nic

[edstephan]

Welcome to the forum jamesriverrifle.
I have read that several years ago and it is always a good read.
By the way Yes, my avitar is the real Stars and Bars.
Ed

[BSH]

There doesn't have to be any argument FOR gun rights. There has to be a sound justification for repealing the second amendment, and eliminating gun rights. There is plenty of refutation for any such argument the gun grabbers put forth. Case closed.