Do any outdoor ranges around Kutztown allow full auto?

[P89]

I'll stick with the social science of economics, thanks.

[stainless]

If they didn't want to listen to what I have to say about socialism, then why did they bring the matter up? This thread is supposed to be about ranges that allow bump stocks....

If one intends to have a debate about any topic whatsoever, one must be prepared to back up his/her side with facts. Someone said that gun ownership would never be allowed under a socialist system. Yet, the reality is that Marx was more pro-arms than modern Republicans ever will be. Also, it is easier and more affordable to legally get your hands on full auto weapons in certain industrialized countries than it is in good old Murica.

Another person posted a picture of what I presume are dead political prisoners in a Soviet gulag. An Amish person could just as easily show a picture of the Hindenburg disaster and say that's the reason God never intended people to travel by air. It's also worth noting that capitalism has its fair share of atrocities as well. Some very early forms of socialism were extremely harmful and destructive. But we've learned a lot since then and it's common to see moderate forms of socialism in Europe without dictatorships and death camps.

You guys make it seem like socialists are a bunch of buffoons who have no idea how the world works. I'm here to tell you that view is not true and there are very logical reasons to support socialism.

Most of the members on here don't care what you think...

[RRHemi]

Karl Marx was a philosopher. His views on gun ownership are irrelevant. Governments/politicians are the ones that set laws. I would argue the amount of people control required for socialism to work will prevent citizen gun ownership en masse. Your penchant for full auto is funny. You also seem to acknowledge that strict socialism could bring dictatorships and death camps, also funny.

[Socialist_Millennial]

I'll stick with the social science of economics, thanks.

And what exactly does your particular brand of economics say we should do when we run out of enough natural resources to keep the present system going? What about when automation wipes out countless jobs? Or are you one of those who doesn't care because "I'll be dead by then"?

Karl Marx was a philosopher. His views on gun ownership are irrelevant. Governments/politicians are the ones that set laws. I would argue the amount of people control required for socialism to work will prevent citizen gun ownership en masse. Your penchant for full auto is funny. You also seem to acknowledge that strict socialism could bring dictatorships and death camps, also funny.

No they aren't. Marx was a rather extreme socialist and even he felt that people should be allowed to own guns. Just because there was one cancerous form of socialism [Leninism] that was very authoritarian and stripped it's people of many freedoms doesn't mean that every form of socialism has to take that path. By that logic, just because there was one poorly designed car model that's prone to explosion in an accident, the manufacture of all cars should be halted.

I mentioned the legalized ownership of new machine guns in some industrialized countries to prove that socialism can co-exist with guns. Even in the US, the ownership of new machine guns by ordinary civilians is illegal. A socialist economic system doesn't mean the end of gun ownership and a capitalist system doesn't mean the continuation of gun ownership. Strict capitalism can also lead to dictatorships and death camps, as was the case with Nazi Germany. I would make the argument that rampant economic inequality poses more of a threat to guns than the media or anti-gun politicians. With rampant economic inequality comes unstable communities, violence, drugs, despair, etc. When guns get used for a murder in these unstable environments, they get blamed and calls for gun control follow shortly.

[DennisH82]

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[Daycrawler]

If you want to have a legit debate on the merits of capitalism and socialism, start a thread on it and PM me the link. I will respond to it, since I can't resist a debate about politics. But I can just as easily pick the worst moments of capitalism

Ill tell ya what, you can start the epic socialism thread and Ill join in. Its your circus not mine.

[RRHemi]

And what exactly does your particular brand of economics say we should do when we run out of enough natural resources to keep the present system going? What about when automation wipes out countless jobs? Or are you one of those who doesn't care because "I'll be dead by then"?




No they aren't. Marx was a rather extreme socialist and even he felt that people should be allowed to own guns. Just because there was one cancerous form of socialism [Leninism] that was very authoritarian and stripped it's people of many freedoms doesn't mean that every form of socialism has to take that path. By that logic, just because there was one poorly designed car model that's prone to explosion in an accident, the manufacture of all cars should be halted.

I mentioned the legalized ownership of new machine guns in some industrialized countries to prove that socialism can co-exist with guns. Even in the US, the ownership of new machine guns by ordinary civilians is illegal. A socialist economic system doesn't mean the end of gun ownership and a capitalist system doesn't mean the continuation of gun ownership. Strict capitalism can also lead to dictatorships and death camps, as was the case with Nazi Germany. I would make the argument that rampant economic inequality poses more of a threat to guns than the media or anti-gun politicians. With rampant economic inequality comes unstable communities, violence, drugs, despair, etc. When guns get used for a murder in these unstable environments, they get blamed and calls for gun control follow shortly.

Governmental provided sustenance (socialism) is what created ghettos and a mindset of hopelessness. They would be far better off if they learned how to take care of themselves, They won't though because socialists keep telling them the government should be providing for them. Socialism enslaves the people to the government tit.

[SIGFAN86]

And what exactly does your particular brand of economics say we should do when we run out of enough natural resources to keep the present system going? What about when automation wipes out countless jobs? Or are you one of those who doesn't care because "I'll be dead by then"?




No they aren't. Marx was a rather extreme socialist and even he felt that people should be allowed to own guns. Just because there was one cancerous form of socialism [Leninism] that was very authoritarian and stripped it's people of many freedoms doesn't mean that every form of socialism has to take that path. By that logic, just because there was one poorly designed car model that's prone to explosion in an accident, the manufacture of all cars should be halted.

I mentioned the legalized ownership of new machine guns in some industrialized countries to prove that socialism can co-exist with guns. Even in the US, the ownership of new machine guns by ordinary civilians is illegal. A socialist economic system doesn't mean the end of gun ownership and a capitalist system doesn't mean the continuation of gun ownership. Strict capitalism can also lead to dictatorships and death camps, as was the case with Nazi Germany. I would make the argument that rampant economic inequality poses more of a threat to guns than the media or anti-gun politicians. With rampant economic inequality comes unstable communities, violence, drugs, despair, etc. When guns get used for a murder in these unstable environments, they get blamed and calls for gun control follow shortly.

I hope you can see the problem with that statement...

[stainless]

I thought this thread was about commie machine guns with shoulder thingies that go up.

What happened to it?

[cdi]

For F's sake. here we go again.
The reason the socialist/communist wakaroons agitate for the people keeping arms is to facilitate the coming revolution.
Even then, most of them want those arms stored in a common type armory (socialist abolition of private property, don't cha know) to be issued as needed when the "prolariate" rises up to take power from the Booze-wa...

The socialist/communist leadership needs to be hanged or shot wherever they might be found, and of course only with the proper hunting licenses and season tags.
How many times do we have to listen to this "but socialism works, they just didn't do it right last time" bullshit?