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    Default So you think "Socialism" is too strong of a word?

    ...well, Lieberman thinks it's more like Communism.

    Connecticut Democrats to Consider Censuring Lieberman

    HARTFORD, Conn. — Connecticut Democrats, angry that Sen. Joe Lieberman is campaigning for the Republican presidential candidate and criticizing his own party’s nominee, agreed Wednesday to circulate a resolution to censure the veteran politician but won’t consider acting on it until after Election Day.

    The state party’s central committee Wednesday voted to send copies of the resolution to every Democratic town committee in the state. The resolution condemns Lieberman for speaking at the Republicans’ convention and backing John McCain.

    Party officials say the group plans to get input from the town officials and revisit the issue in December.

    “If you have someone who says they’re a Democrat, who is registered as a Democrat and is a national figure supporting a candidate who is opposed to all the ideals and beliefs and positions that we hold as Democrats, he’s diluting, in my opinion, the meaning of our party,” said Audrey Blondin, a 30-year party veteran, before the meeting.

    Lieberman was re-elected to the Senate as an independent after losing the Democratic primary in 2006 to businessman Ned Lamont. While he calls himself an “independent Democrat” in the Senate, he remains a registered Democrat and has said he has no plans to change his party affiliation.

    Lieberman was the Democratic nominee for vice president in 2000 and ran for the party’s presidential nomination in 2004.

    Lieberman and independent Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont have been caucusing with Democrats in Washington, giving the party control of the Senate with what is effectively a 51-49 majority — even though each party has 49 members. Democrats, in turn, have made Lieberman chairman of the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee.

    Blondin said Lieberman’s speech at the Republican National Convention, in which he praised McCain and criticized Democrat Barack Obama, convinced her that state Democrats need to take a stand.

    “Our point is not that Joe should in some way be prohibited from supporting McCain or speaking at the National Republican Convention. That’s not the issue,” Blondin said. “The issue is, he’s a Democrat. And Joe, in our opinion, needs to reconsider membership in our party.”

    Lieberman, speaking earlier Wednesday to a radio station, said that he was surprised by the move to censure him.

    “Honestly, I thought that was the kind of thing that happened only in the former Soviet Union. I understand that people are unhappy, but, you know, I’m doing something that I really believe,” Lieberman told WICH-AM. “I thought in this country you don’t get punished for that. So, I hope that in the end, my colleagues will understand and life will go on either way.”
    "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."
    - Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948

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    Default Re: So you think "Socialism" is too strong of a word?

    “If you have someone who says they’re a Democrat, who is registered as a Democrat and is a national figure supporting a candidate who is opposed to all the ideals and beliefs and positions that we hold as Democrats, he’s diluting, in my opinion, the meaning of our party,”


    Which means shut the hell up, the sheeple aren't supposed to know that we are commies yet

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    Default Re: So you think "Socialism" is too strong of a word?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pector55 View Post
    ...well, Lieberman thinks it's more like Communism.

    Connecticut Democrats to Consider Censuring Lieberman

    HARTFORD, Conn. — Connecticut Democrats, angry that Sen. Joe Lieberman is campaigning for the Republican presidential candidate and criticizing his own party’s nominee, agreed Wednesday to circulate a resolution to censure the veteran politician but won’t consider acting on it until after Election Day.

    The state party’s central committee Wednesday voted to send copies of the resolution to every Democratic town committee in the state. The resolution condemns Lieberman for speaking at the Republicans’ convention and backing John McCain.

    Party officials say the group plans to get input from the town officials and revisit the issue in December.

    “If you have someone who says they’re a Democrat, who is registered as a Democrat and is a national figure supporting a candidate who is opposed to all the ideals and beliefs and positions that we hold as Democrats, he’s diluting, in my opinion, the meaning of our party,” said Audrey Blondin, a 30-year party veteran, before the meeting.

    Lieberman was re-elected to the Senate as an independent after losing the Democratic primary in 2006 to businessman Ned Lamont. While he calls himself an “independent Democrat” in the Senate, he remains a registered Democrat and has said he has no plans to change his party affiliation.

    Lieberman was the Democratic nominee for vice president in 2000 and ran for the party’s presidential nomination in 2004.

    Lieberman and independent Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont have been caucusing with Democrats in Washington, giving the party control of the Senate with what is effectively a 51-49 majority — even though each party has 49 members. Democrats, in turn, have made Lieberman chairman of the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee.

    Blondin said Lieberman’s speech at the Republican National Convention, in which he praised McCain and criticized Democrat Barack Obama, convinced her that state Democrats need to take a stand.

    “Our point is not that Joe should in some way be prohibited from supporting McCain or speaking at the National Republican Convention. That’s not the issue,” Blondin said. “The issue is, he’s a Democrat. And Joe, in our opinion, needs to reconsider membership in our party.”

    Lieberman, speaking earlier Wednesday to a radio station, said that he was surprised by the move to censure him.

    “Honestly, I thought that was the kind of thing that happened only in the former Soviet Union. I understand that people are unhappy, but, you know, I’m doing something that I really believe,” Lieberman told WICH-AM. “I thought in this country you don’t get punished for that. So, I hope that in the end, my colleagues will understand and life will go on either way.”

    Pector55.

    Just because a politician you now like says it, does not make it fact.

    In politics, hyperbole and rhetoric have always gone hand in hand.

    Parties regularly censure those who break ranks.

    Yes, even the Republican party censures its members who dissent, now and again.

    Just ask someone who knows about party discipline for breaking ranks.

    Ask John McCain.

    Stay well.


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    Default Re: So you think "Socialism" is too strong of a word?

    Elston, so let me get this right, you don't think that the democraic party, at the national level, is skirting the fringes of communism?

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    Default Re: So you think "Socialism" is too strong of a word?

    Just how dumb are people?

    Lieberman is now an Independent, not a Democrat.

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    Default Re: So you think "Socialism" is too strong of a word?

    Hell, even if he was a full Democrat, he has a right to support whomever he feels is best, and what the majority of his constituents like most. If he gets calls/letters more for McCain than Obama - despite his party, he should go with the popular vote.

    Anyone in office that plays the party siding game needs to be taken out to the nearest tree and strung up. Those calling for censure for his backing McCain need to be dragged through the streets from a car at 25mph for 5 miles, have gas dumped on them, set a fire, then hanged by the neck with a chain after being let to burn for a little while.
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    Default Re: So you think "Socialism" is too strong of a word?

    Quote Originally Posted by elston32 View Post
    Pector55.

    Just because a politician you now like says it, does not make it fact.

    In politics, hyperbole and rhetoric have always gone hand in hand.

    Parties regularly censure those who break ranks.

    Yes, even the Republican party censures its members who dissent, now and again.

    Just ask someone who knows about party discipline for breaking ranks.

    Ask John McCain.

    Stay well.


    ---elston
    Politician I like? This is Lieberman who is making the claim. Please defend it some more. I'm curious as to how you can justify it.
    "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."
    - Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948

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    Default Re: So you think "Socialism" is too strong of a word?

    Quote Originally Posted by elston32 View Post
    Pector55.

    Just because a politician you now like says it, does not make it fact.

    In politics, hyperbole and rhetoric have always gone hand in hand.

    Parties regularly censure those who break ranks.

    Yes, even the Republican party censures its members who dissent, now and again.

    Just ask someone who knows about party discipline for breaking ranks.

    Ask John McCain.

    Stay well.


    ---elston
    Makes no difference to me if it is a Dem or Repub that is being censured over openly supporting ANY candidate. It is their right to speak for who they choose. It is their right to support whoever the choose. Lieberman is an Independant. He has been allowed to remain in the Democratic caucus because they need his liberal leaning support for issues to get them passed. It has been a compromise. Sort of like Paul being a Repbulican still even though he is clearly not a Repbulican anymore. Wrong is wrong. I don't care what side of the isle the wronged person is from.

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    Default Re: So you think "Socialism" is too strong of a word?

    Quote Originally Posted by pacodelahoya View Post
    Elston, so let me get this right, you don't think that the democraic party, at the national level, is skirting the fringes of communism?
    No.

    Stay well.


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    Default Re: So you think "Socialism" is too strong of a word?

    Quote Originally Posted by elston32 View Post
    No.

    Stay well.


    ---elston
    I'm with elston, I don't think that they're skirting the fringes of communism in the least. I think that they've gone full bore into it and are trying to move the whole country in that direction.
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