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    A suspected car burglar in Tennessee found himself begging for help from area residents after his intended victim returned gunfire, according to the local sheriff's office.
    One suspect managed to get away, while another one, identified as 18-year-old Marreo Mays, was arrested. Deputies with the sheriff*s office said Mays went around the neighborhood knocking on doors asking for help and was heard on his cellphone yelling, "Y*all left me. Come pick me up."

    Mays was charged with two counts of burglary of a vehicle and vandalism.
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/tennessee...151739127.html


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    A robber who pointed a .45 at the head of a north Georgia convenience store clerk Monday evening ran into some serious problems when three customers came to the rescue while pulling their own guns.
    https://www.theblaze.com/news/robber...-to-the-rescue

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    Homeowner shoots, kills 19-year-old burglar who broke into house, coroner says
    https://www.wfsb.com/2023/02/20/home...-coroner-says/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Story View Post
    Homeowner shoots, kills 19-year-old burglar who broke into house, coroner says
    https://www.wfsb.com/2023/02/20/home...-coroner-says/
    Potentially more to this story. Mother says he may have been "accidentally" under the influence and thought he was entering his own home (he lived in the same neighborhood).

    Of course, if true, that only makes the outcome tragic. It doesn't make it a bad shoot. Breaking into people's houses at 1AM, even accidentally, is a serious crime that warrants a serious response. Based on the facts I've read, homeowner was very much justified in their actions.

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    A 71-year-old man is recovering after he was wounded during a shootout with suspects who tried to rob him in North Philadelphia, police said.
    It happened around 11:15 p.m. Thursday along the 2400 block of North 10th Street near Cumberland Street, according to police.
    Investigators said the victim had just picked up Chinese takeout and was walking on the block when two armed men came out of a breezeway and announced a robbery
    The 71-year-old pulled out his revolver handgun and exchanged gunfire with the suspects, according to police.
    The victim was struck once in the leg during the shootout, police said.
    https://6abc.com/philadelphia-shooto...land/12907827/

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    The Progressive filth on this planet will no doubt cite this as "another example why victims shouldn't resist".

    https://6abc.com/philadelphia-shooti...ence/12864677/

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    Shammarah McPherson and a friend had just finished a late night workout at the gym last Thursday in the Logan section of Philadelphia. Just as the two women arrived home near 12th and Lindley streets, they noticed a white car that was occupied by multiple individuals. The pair tried to hurry to the front door of their apartment building when two armed suspects jumped out and announced a robbery. Fearing for her life, Shammarah heroically drew her own concealed firearm that she had a license to carry for, and attempted to defend herself and her best friend. During an exchange of gunfire with the suspects, Shammarah was able to get off multiple rounds that found their target before she herself suffered a fatal gunshot wound to the chest. The suspects fled the scene as Shammarah lay dying on the sidewalk. Medics arrived minutes after the incident but the young woman was already gone.

    Moments later, a white car pulled up to Einstein Medical Center and dropped off a critically wounded 15-year old boy. He had been shot multiple times in the chest, shoulder and had a finger blown off. Through the investigation, it was determined that he was one of the gunmen that Shammarah was able to shoot before her life was taken. That teenager has since been charged with the young woman’s murder.

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    71 year old Henry Joel vs some goblins.

    "At night I would keep my hand on my pistol in my pocket in case I have to pull it out," he said. "It finally came to reality that I had to use it."

    The confrontation happened as Joel was walking home from a Chinese takeout around 11:15 p.m. Thursday.

    He was approached by two men on the 2400 block of N. 10th Street. The pair tried to rob him, but Joel fought back.

    "They raised a gun to begin shooting. I raised mine and we just started shooting," Joel said. "I don't know if I hit one of them, but I'm pretty sure I hurt them because they were in the area I was at, basically, and I got shot in the bottom part of the leg which broke my bone."
    https://6abc.com/71-year-old-shot-ph...ence/12914720/

    Someone should invite Henry to join POOFA.

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    Two women were attacked in Atlanta by alleged robbers who suddenly regretted their actions after learning that the women were armed. After being seen by a nearby camera, the entire incident quickly became popular on social media.

    Dameka Malcolm, one of the accused suspects, has subsequently been detained on counts of felony aggravated assault, armed robbery, and possession of guns.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPcSC21jYpw

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    Scumbag Joshua Fordham tried to rob two folks coming out of a Detroit liquor store and while he had the drop on them, one of the two citizens had a concealed pistol and shot Fordham. Unfortunately, Fordham is still alive.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...7152e269&ei=16

    Seems like a key data point here

    In addition to locating the CPL holder*s wallet among the suspect*s belongings, they also found a loaded Ruger P95DC that appeared to have malfunctioned lying near him, investigators said.
    also, this older man/younger man anonymity is bullshit journalism
    Detroit armed robber shot in chest by concealed carry permit holder after threatening to kill friend: police (msn.com)
    https://policetribune.com/armed-robb...-detroit-deli/

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    FBI data on good guys with guns called "garbage" as critic finds many more cases
    By Stephen Dinan - The Washington Times - Updated: 5:42 p.m. on Monday, March 20, 2023
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...s-fbi-reports/

    Mercedes Perez crashed her car into another car on a San Antonio street in 2021 and then jumped out with a gun and blazed away at neighbors who came out of their homes to see what happened.

    She killed one man, the car's owner, and wounded his wife and son before another neighbor heard the shooting. He grabbed his gun and ran to the scene, where he killed Perez with a shot to the neck.

    John Lott, founder of the Crime Prevention Research Center, said it's a case of a good guy with a gun stopping a bad guy with a gun.

    Yet the incident was left out of the FBI's database of active shooting incidents.

    Mr. Lott said it's one of dozens of such incidents missing from the bureau's statistics, which he said has fueled a false narrative that rarely do good guys with guns stop shootings.

    The FBI says the rate of active shooting incidents ended by good guys with guns is 4.4% over the years. Mr. Lott says it's 34.4%.

    The FBI's conclusions are widely cited, particularly as new shootings revive old debates about gun control and whether more access to weapons is safer or more dangerous.

    When an armed citizen does intervene and it draws national headlines -- as happened at an Indiana mall food court last year -- news accounts are quick to point to the FBI's findings as evidence that it's a rarity. The FBI's numbers also have been used in court cases, and they pepper legislative debates on Capitol Hill and in state assemblies.

    Mr. Lott said the numbers are so distorted by shoddy work and judgment calls that they are not just worthless but also misleading.

    "It's garbage," Mr. Lott told The Washington Times. "They should be embarrassed."

    The FBI's active shooter definition is different from all shootings, or even mass shootings. The FBI says it covers instances in which someone with a firearm is "actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a populated area." The point is to zero in on instances of ongoing use of a weapon and where intervention could affect the outcome.

    Instances of self-defense, drug and gang violence, hostage situations and domestic disputes are discounted.

    Mr. Lott said there are several sources of error.

    The first is the FBI's reliance on news accounts, which he said are less likely to cover instances of good guys with guns.

    Then there are the judgment calls about what meets the definition of an active shooter case. The FBI says it's when a gun is used in a confrontation outside of a criminal incident such as domestic violence or drug dealing. There are also judgment calls about who qualifies as a regular citizen, or "good guy." The FBI says a security guard doesn't count.

    When those judgments are bungled, the data suffers.

    In 2019, the FBI counted 30 active shooter incidents and said none was stopped by an armed citizen.

    Mr. Lott said the bureau missed 11 incidents altogether and misclassified one. That was a Dec. 29 shooting at a church in White Settlement, Texas, that the FBI listed as stopped by a security guard. That meant it didn't count as a good guy with a gun.

    Mr. Lott spoke to the shooter, Jack Wilson, who said he wasn't a security guard but just a member of the congregation. Mr. Wilson also said probably 20 other members of the congregation were armed that day, too.

    Discrepancies in good-guy incidents

    In 2021, the FBI listed 61 active shooter incidents, with perhaps four stopped by armed citizens. Mr. Lott said he found 112 total incidents, 55 of which were stopped by a good guy with a gun.

    That included a Syracuse, New York, case in August in which a man threatened and then fired at people. Another man, identified by local press as Richard Morose, a property manager, returned fire with a legally possessed handgun and killed the attacker.

    "It appears that Mr. Morose saved the lives of several individuals," the district attorney's office said, according to Syracuse.com.

    Yet the FBI didn't include it in its count.

    In an August 2021 case, the bureau left out of its calculations a Florida barbershop owner who shot the hip of a man pointing a gun at customers. Patrons then disarmed the man, according to a report by Florida Today.

    From 2014 to 2021, Mr. Lott said, he counted 124 cases that the FBI missed of an armed civilian stopping an active shooter.

    Asked whether his numbers might be skewed toward good-guy incidents, Mr. Lott said he looks for all kinds of active shooter cases but the FBI seems to flag the other ones.

    "The cases they're missing are systematically just the ones where people use guns to stop the attacks," he said.

    The FBI said in a statement to The Times that it "works proactively" to spot incidents that should be included but acknowledged limitations to its efforts.

    "There is no mandated database collection or central intake point for reporting active shooter incidents, which exists for other crimes," the bureau said. "The active shooter incident research in this report is valid as of March 25, 2022. If additional incidents meeting FBI criteria are identified after the publication of the document, every effort is made to factor those incidents into future reporting."

    Building the FBI's database

    The bureau builds its data with help from Texas State University's Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training Center.

    An FBI spokesperson wouldn't reveal how much ALERRT is paid for that work. Mr. Lott said he figures the agency is embarrassed by how much it spent on iffy data.

    "I've spent thousands of dollars on putting together our list. They've spent I have no idea how many millions of dollars doing their news searches," he said.

    ALERRT declined to answer questions from The Times and referred a reporter to the FBI.

    The outfit did speak this year with The Washington Post, which also raised questions about Mr. Lott's findings.

    In reviewing a 2019 case that Mr. Lott flagged in which a man opened fire at a dental office in Tennessee, a patient used his concealed weapon to shoot and then detain the attacker. ALERRT told The Post that the attacker was shooting his wife, so it was a domestic incident and therefore didn't qualify under the active shooter database rules.

    ALERRT also dismissed a case in which a man opened fire at a strip club and struck three people. A bouncer with a handgun followed the man outside and shot him in the back, killing him. The researchers told The Post that it was discounted as a retaliation killing.

    The Post's fact-checker, in its write-up, questioned the utility of the FBI's data and concluded that it is difficult to draw conclusions about good guys with guns because the data is too susceptible to judgment calls.

    A level of interpretation

    FBI officials released their first active shooter report in 2014 based on data dating to 2000. They cataloged 160 incidents from 2000 to 2013 that involved someone killing, or attempting to kill, people in a populated area. Gang- and drug-related shootings were excluded.

    Analysts said five of the incidents -- about 3% -- ended with an armed citizen exchanging gunfire. The study also counted 21 incidents -- 13% of the total -- when an unarmed citizen disrupted the shooting.

    The FBI has updated its report regularly in the years since. From 2014 to 2021, it has counted 252 active shooter incidents and says 11 were stopped by an armed citizen -- or 4.4% of the time.

    Mr. Lott's numbers for that period are 360 incidents, with 124 stopped by a good guy with a gun -- or 34.4% of the time. In 2021, the data in which he has the most confidence, he said it was 49.1% of the time. Looking only at incidents in places where carrying weapons isn't heavily restricted, the rate is closer to 60%.

    He said it makes sense to discount shootings in places where gun control laws restrict the possession of a weapon, making it less likely that an armed good guy would be on hand in any given situation.

    Subtracting those cases, he identified 81 total active shooter incidents in places where citizens are legally allowed to carry weapons. He said an armed citizen intervened to stop the attack in 47 of those -- or 58% of the time.

    "You have to differentiate places where people are legally allowed to carry," he said.

    Mr. Lott's work on that particular issue has drawn fierce criticism over the years.

    Indeed, after a spate of shootings this month, gun control activists blamed Mr. Lott.

    "It's terrible to recirculate this piece whenever there's a mass shooting, but ppl inevitably ask why there's no progress on policy reforms. One reason is John Lott, who has provided the empirical justification for looser firearms laws since the 1990s," Mike Spies, who specializes in gun control journalism, said on Twitter, linking to a piece he did for TheTrace.org and The New Yorker discounting Mr. Lott's research.

    Mr. Lott has spent years pressing the FBI over its data. In one exchange in 2018, the FBI told him it was making judgment calls.

    "The selection of cases for inclusion in these reports is the result of a consensus vote of analysts and law enforcement professionals using the methodology stated in the original 2013 study," Shayne Buchwald, an FBI official, told Mr. Lott. "In some cases, a level of interpretation is required with which all may not agree. The FBI notes your differing opinion in the stated cases."

    Mr. Lott flagged the issue again when he worked for the Justice Department as a senior adviser for research and statistics during the latter part of the Trump administration. The data remained unchanged.

    "It could be just sloppiness, it could be ignorance, but that doesn't explain why they don't fix them once I gave them the links and the stories," he said
    Distortion of the data has been going on for a long time. The liberal left increased the occurrence of lying as a popular political tool. It is now an entrenched tool of the government in keeping the truth from the people.

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