You don't need to be 21 to oc handguns?

[IV_Warrior]

My understanding on that was that it didn't say car. It said something like 'in or on a conveyance'. Which would mean car, truck , horse, bike, motorcycle, goat, Amish buggy, skateboard..........

here's what it says

§ 6106. Firearms not to be carried without a license.
(a) Offense defined.--
(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), any person who
carries a firearm in any vehicle or any person who carries a
firearm concealed on or about his person, except in his place
of abode or fixed place of business, without a valid and
lawfully issued license under this chapter commits a felony
of the third degree.

I don't see where vehicle is defined in the section, but if you can get a DUI on a bicycle, I'm sure one would be considered a vehicle under this statute.

[4thdimension]

Being that the law is complex one must hope that an inquiring cop is not a butt hole who can recognize a competent citizen exercising their right Vs. a criminal who is in possession for dubious reasons.

[ungawa]

Being that the law is complex one must hope that an inquiring cop is not a butt hole who can recognize a competent citizen exercising their right Vs. a criminal who is in possession for dubious reasons.

Good luck with that.

[knight0334]

here's what it says
I don't see where vehicle is defined in the section, but if you can get a DUI on a bicycle, I'm sure one would be considered a vehicle under this statute.

You have to dig further into Commonwealth law. The Commonwealth set a number of definitions that are universal, unless defined differently for a given title, chapter, subschapter, etc.

Here is the default definition of "vehicle".

Title 1 Pa.C.S.A. General Provisions
Part V. Statutory Construction
Chapter 19. Rules of Construction
Subchapter F. Definitions of Words and Phrases

“Vehicle.” A conveyance in or on which persons or property may be carried.

[4thdimension]

It seems that the legal definition of a vehicle is broad and can be easily interpreted in many ways making it easier for the system to screw people. I can carry property both on and in me. Does that make me a vehicle? According to liberals I can be a woman if I believe I was meant to be one. Why can't I be a vehicle as well?

[4thdimension]

Good luck with that.

In Wayne Co. where I am from cops and staties couldn't care less about guns but I figured things might be different here in Monroe Co. Monroe has been over run with liberal smut from NJ. There is lots of city like crime and gun hating libtards in Monroe Co.

[knight0334]

It seems that the legal definition of a vehicle is broad and can be easily interpreted in many ways making it easier for the system to screw people. I can carry property both on and in me. Does that make me a vehicle? According to liberals I can be a woman if I believe I was meant to be one. Why can't I be a vehicle as well?

A person can be a vehicle for carrying things respective to certain violations, but a legal "vehicle" is a conveyance that is used to carry persons or property and that is the definition that legally applies to Title 18.

It isn't all that confusing. If YOU or property can be transported on something, it is a vehicle. Car, truck, train, airplane, bus, horse, buggy, lawnmower, skateboard, bicycle, motorcycle, unicycle, boat, etc, etc.


Gun laws aren't a game. They have serious consequences, near every one of which makes you a prohibited person. Present law doesn't require intent or knowledge of actions to be an element of the offense - just merely committing the act, even without knowledge that you are breaking the law, is sufficient for conviction.

Strict adherence to the law in its broadest form is the best way to stay an anal virgin.

[olderguy]

You have to dig further into Commonwealth law. The Commonwealth set a number of definitions that are universal, unless defined differently for a given title, chapter, subschapter, etc.

Here is the default definition of "vehicle".

Title 1 Pa.C.S.A. General Provisions
Part V. Statutory Construction
Chapter 19. Rules of Construction
Subchapter F. Definitions of Words and Phrases

“Vehicle.” A conveyance in or on which persons or property may be carried.

§ 6106. Firearms not to be carried without a license.
(a) Offense defined.--
(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), any person who
carries a firearm in any vehicle or any person who carries a
firearm concealed on or about his person, except in his place
of abode or fixed place of business, without a valid and
lawfully issued license under this chapter commits a felony
of the third degree.

Then you need to define what the meaning of "in" is. If you are riding a bike or motorcycle or skateboard and open carrying, are you carrying "in" a vehicle or "on" a vehicle.

[ungawa]

§ 6106. Firearms not to be carried without a license.
(a) Offense defined.--
(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), any person who
carries a firearm in any vehicle or any person who carries a
firearm concealed on or about his person, except in his place
of abode or fixed place of business, without a valid and
lawfully issued license under this chapter commits a felony
of the third degree.

Then you need to define what the meaning of "in" is. If you are riding a bike or motorcycle or skateboard and open carrying, are you carrying "in" a vehicle or "on" a vehicle.

There is no distinction.

[PhillyVet]

There is no distinction.

§ 6106. Firearms not to be carried without a license.
(a) Offense defined.--
(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), any person who
carries a firearm in any vehicle or any person who carries a
firearm concealed on or about his person, except in his place
of abode or fixed place of business, without a valid and
lawfully issued license under this chapter commits a felony
of the third degree.

Then you need to define what the meaning of "in" is. If you are riding a bike or motorcycle or skateboard and open carrying, are you carrying "in" a vehicle or "on" a vehicle.

There in lays the question - and unfortunately one that would have to be argued by a Lawyer in court.. When a law doesn't define a term, then general linguistic usage should prevail ("in" and "on" are two different things) - however, we know that the PA courts are notorious for reinventing language to suit their particular political beliefs..

If I were this young man, I wouldn't risk a BS conviction (and his future career in policing) simply to carry a gun now - wait until he's 21 and apply for his LTCF.

Gun rights in PA are generally good, but the UFA is too open to interpretation with some grave consequences (even if run afoul by mistake)..