OC/CC at the West End Fair?

[jcabin]

I plan on taking my girlfriend out there some time this week, perhaps even later this evening if the weather clears up. The fair's law enforcement is usually covered by the sherrifs deputies and a few state police officers. I do not remember ever seeing a "No Firearms Allowed" sign there in all my years here. However, before this year I never looked for such signs, anywhere. As I've been OC'ing just about everywhere I've gone all summer without a single incident, I would like to continue OC'ing here at the fair in my home town. Anyone OC'ed at the West End Fair before? Plan on going this year? What do you think the reaction from LE will be if they notice I'm OC'ing(if there are no guns prohibited signs)?

[Dredly]

I'm not aware of any signs barring weapons... I may head down one day this week... haven't been to the fair in several years

[G21.45]

Sure! What the Hell. Go right ahead and think only of yourself and what you want to do. After all what could, possibly, be more important than your own personal right-to-carry?

The fairgrounds are private property. I've CCW'd at the WEF for more than a decade without any sort of problem, whatsoever. Now, you come along and want to be a, 'Second Amendment hero' by open carrying around the fairgrounds – Wow, that’s going to be sooo …. helpful!

Do the rest of us who quietly arm ourselves and carry concealed really need (or want) this sort of attention? What longstanding social good can possibly come of it? What you are planning to do is sure to get everybody's attention! No, you won't be arrested; we, all, know that now. However, the probability that you will be asked to leave the fairgrounds accompanied by a police escort is very high; and, thereafter, the people who run the fair are certain to become very sensitive to, 'THE PROBLEM'.

You need to reflect that the West End Fair is a family orientated event. (Have you heard about the new security precautions that are going to be in force at this year's Bloomsburg Fair? For the first time in more than 12 years I'm thinking of not bringing a pistol with me!) Say! I've got a novel idea: Why not do something absolutely amazing, instead? How about thinking more of other people and their personal comfort and safety than you do of your own blatantly exhibited Second Amendment rights and remaining covered.

Is that too much to ask?

This way, you won't run the risk of getting hit over the head and unintentionally arming a criminal; my own 2A rights won't be any further restricted by, yet, another group of thoroughly annoyed private property owners; the anti-Second Amendment local paper will not get another, 'gun incident' to raise a big stink over; and, none of the soccer moms will feel compelled to gather up their brood and cut short their trip to the fair.

You know Obama Bin Laden is coming! Don't make the stupid mistake of thinking that Pennsylvania's gun laws can't be rewritten. Over the next 8 years all sorts of gun laws are going to come under revived national scrutiny; and, I've no doubt that many of them are going to be revised. Why push it? We've already got a good deal going for ourselves, here, in Pennsylvania; and, instead of aggravating the greater mass of the general public, we should be doing everything in our power to represent ourselves in the most positive of ways.

If enough people with carry licenses continue to deliberately confront that much larger majority of people - who by either instinct or education are uncomfortable with firearms - changes will be made. Whenever you or your viewpoint are outnumbered by more than 20 to 1 a shrewd man (with a gun) really should know when to maintain a low profile.

I fully realize that I'm asking a lot from someone who carries a gun and has his head stuck so far up his butt that the light of reason rarely shines through. I, also, recognize that I'm (once again) opening myself up to all sorts of malicious and vitriolic personal attacks by this board’s gung ho, ‘flaunt it and be damned’ membership.

Nevertheless - even though my smarmy and duplicitous gun dealer neighbor whom I strongly suspect hasn’t told the truth about one single thing since the last time he cried for milk on his mother’s breast, is sure to jump in and indulge himself with another, ‘G21.45 hate fest’ on this post – I still hope to give you and others like you, a moment to reflect on the consequences of your behavior BEFORE you put your plan into action.

BOTH the strongly held and well-founded social opinions of those people who carry firearms for personal protection, as well as the (perhaps, too benign and unrealistic) emotional feelings of that much greater number of other people who are as afraid of guns as they are of the criminals who illegally use them, also, need to be taken into consideration.

Does any of this make any sense to you - Any sense at all?

[mpi]

since you are the one who invaded anothers post with your bile and bullshit why don't we ask you why aren't you supporting the 2A rights of the OP and pull your head of your ass and stop being a 2A coward.

I'm getting really sick of you pissants whining in other peoples threads, if you don't like it take your damn toys and go the hell home. don't shit on the posts of your betters!

[jcabin]

I fully realize that I'm asking a lot from someone who carries a gun and has his head stuck so far up his butt that the light of reason rarely shines through. I, also, recognize that I'm (once again) opening myself up to all sorts of malicious and vitriolic personal attacks by this board’s gung ho, ‘flaunt it and be damned’ membership.

Perhaps it is too much to ask of an obviously distraught and judgemental man(with a gun) to speak openly on a forum without letting his "i'm angry and i'll let the world know" attitude intervene with respect towards other members?
I was simply posting my thoughts and seeing what other OC'ers had to say about said "shining reason". I also simply expressed my want OC without having a hard time. I do not need to OC at the fair, nor did I state I was going to OC at the fair. I already knew before I made this post this thread that I was going to CC. Though your little diddy made me smirk and giggle a bit, thankyou for that, I think its time to drink a cup of warm milk and take a nap.

[G21.45]

jcabin, You asked for opinions; and, you've received mine. Couldn't help, but, notice what you said at first and what you're saying now are not quite the same thing.

mpi, you disgrace yourself with that reply. What I've posted is certainly applicable to the topic. I will remind you that I'm a member in good standing on this forum and as equally entitled to express my opinions as you are.

You're a vulgar human being; I have to wonder how many people you speak to like that in person? I'll bet not too many - huh!

[jcabin]

jcabin, You asked for opinions; and, you've received mine. Couldn't help, but, notice what you said at first and what you're saying now are not quite the same thing.

I did ask for my fellow members opinions, yes. However, I did not ask to be talked down upon. Also, I believe I clarified what was said in my second post, take it or leave it. I'm not one to play games with those who enjoy semantics.

[Pa. Patriot]

jcabin, You asked for opinions; and, you've received mine....

You really could not bring yourself to offer your opinions and concerns about OC without being totally over condescending and completely berating the OP?

...You're a vulgar human being; I have to wonder how many people you speak to like that in person? I'll bet not too many - huh!

Ironic. MPI even re-used some of your same words. (head in ass)
I suggest you re-read your first reply and consider the context that you are being spoken to in subsequent replies.

The point: If your going to debate the topic you going to have to find it in yourself to be a little more adult about it. You can express that you think OC is the end of your 2A rights without berating and accusing the person your talking to of all sorts of mal-intent and other unfounded claims.

Behave

[G21.45]

jcabin, One last comment and I'm finished with this topic: I chided you; it's not the same thing as, 'talking down'. What mpi did THAT'S talking down!

Everybody needs to recognize that; 'No man is an island unto himself!' What you do with your gun is similar to what every criminal does with his: There will be a, 'ripple effect'.

The better each of us behaves with a gun, the less commotion we cause, the better manners we have, and the better behaved each of us is, then, the less negative impact everyone who carries a handgun is going to experience.

That, more than anything else, is what I'd like to point out to you. The sort of reaction that mpi has demonstrated isn't going to improve anything between, 'us and them'.

Understand?

PA. Patriot, we've had this discussion before. As usual you evidence the strongest of personal bias; and, there's just no talking to you. My fondest hope is that your behavior doesn't one day cause me to lose the few carry privileges I presently enjoy in PA.

One other thing: I didn't use the word, 'ass'. You did.

[ungawa]

G21.45, I thought I was the biggest jerk on this forum in good standing, and I don't even have a horse in this race. Thanks a lot. You might want to think about how YOU are perceived by others if you want to get your point across. Dropping the insults would help a little. Anyway...

This way, you won't run the risk of getting hit over the head and unintentionally arming a criminal.

Did you really just say that?