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  1. #11
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    Default Re: new executive order on gun control

    Quote Originally Posted by MrPeanut View Post
    Until the first gunsmith gets arrested and charged.
    You really think this is enforceable? Who's going after a gunsmith for threading a barrel? The FBI, The ATF, The State Department, Who?
    I think they realize they have other priorities to spend there budgets on.

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    Probably won't be a case of "going after" the violator so much as discovering the violation during a parallel investigation. Kind of like investigating a barking dog complaint and discovering a stolen vehicle in the back yard.

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    It would be the ATF and no they don't have other priorities,

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinkrun View Post
    Glad I have a lathe and mill sitting in the garage.
    I wish I did. Its been a long time since I used them but I'm sure it would come back to me.
    USNRET '61-'81

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdaddy76 View Post
    I bet most professionals will ignore this dictate if at all possible. I know I would. What are they going to do? Run stings so they can catch Bubba the Gunsmith mounting scopes in violation ITAR.
    Do you really think the ATF is above that? Ever hear of Randy Weaver?
    Rules are written in the stone,
    Break the rules and you get no bones,
    all you get is ridicule, laughter,
    and a trip to the house of pain.

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    Default Re: new executive order on gun control

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdaddy76 View Post
    You really think this is enforceable? Who's going after a gunsmith for threading a barrel? The FBI, The ATF, The State Department, Who?
    I think they realize they have other priorities to spend there budgets on.
    Their priorities are what their boss tells them they are.

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    Default Re: new executive order on gun control

    So is putting together your AR from parts kits acting like a gun Smith?

    80% lowers?

    Does me refinishing my gun stock or machining 10/22 bolts violate this?

    How about pinning my mags if I move to a state with restrictions?

    This shit is crazy.

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    Default Re: new executive order on gun control

    Get to know your gunsmith. If he operates a small shop and does not want to pay for a manufacturers license, the restricted work will still be done for his nearest and dearest customers. Or with the new regulations, there may be large scale repair facilities that will require mail in service. If such is profitable, such operations will come to fruition.

    Much bother for unlegislated regulation that changes with the administration. The collective 92 million firearm owners in this country, like in the past, will get the president they deserve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinkrun View Post
    Glad I have a lathe and mill sitting in the garage.
    That's not the point---because next they'll come for the "crazy" lathe owner....then the "crazy" scope mounter....then....
    "I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery." Thomas Jefferson

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    As an 01 FFL holder, I've been allowed to put together an AR-15 or two a year without penalty. I was told by the inspector that cranking out dozens a year would mean I need a manufacturers license but a couple was fine. This new rule is just one more way to break the back of small FFL holders. I'll be in violation if I so much as buy an upper and a lower separately and I mate them. I had a Sako rifle that I put a new extractor in because the old one was inexplicably missing. That would be a violation.

    The first violation would be easy to catch, the 2nd harder. The question becomes at what point does the fear of prosecution drive me and others like me out of business. You know we won't have the law generously read and our intent considered to determine whether we should be prosecuted. We'll be bent over and be violated by the full force of the US government.

    They are pinching from all sides and it will only get worse if Clinton is elected. Say what you want about Trump but, at worst, he doesn't give a shit about guns which means that he's not going to be doing this petty bullshit. Meanwhile, there are people here that either refuse to vote for him or will actually vote for Hillary. If you're refusing to vote for Trump, I'm disappointed. If you're voting for Hillary, you are my enemy.
    "A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself"

    "He created the game, played the game, and lost the game.... All under his own terms, by his own doing." JW34

    "Tolerance is the lube that helps slip the dildo of dysfunction into the ass of a civilized society." Plato

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