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    Default Conceal Carry in warned areas?

    Sorry, But I'm used to carrying in both NH and NV. A business can say 'no fire arms' on their doors; but in those states it's pretty much none of their business. Other than gov't and school areas of course.
    What I've read online is that in PA a permit is valid only where no sign's are posted? Seems like a strange way to approach things. Carry a lockbox with you everywhere because a days shopping could turn into a mess? Always 2 or 3 spare mags. ........ ok to be thrown in the glove box?

    It appears this state is half in, half out, of normal carry states. At least the ones I've lived.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Secesh View Post
    It appears this state is half in, half out, of normal carry states. At least the ones I've lived.
    Normal?

    As I understand it, if they ask you to leave, you have to leave. Otherwise concealed is concealed. Some silly states have laws prohibiting carrying at bars, sporting events or churches. We don't have those stupid rules.

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    The threat comes from an activist judge mis-applying the phrase "who is not in illegal possession of a firearm" in a situation where you had to use the gun to save lives. Remember, we have judges who ruled that we Pennsylvania residents do not fall within the phrase "any person". So you can't assume that your judge will obey the law and do what his oath requires.

    Otherwise, if the owner or manager asks you to leave, you leave, and so far, that's worked for everyone who was not a confrontational asshole. In theory (my theory), you could be charged with trespassing if you sneak a gun into a "no-guns" posted private location, even before they ask you to leave, but why any business owner would press charges, and why any DA would use public resources to prosecute such an iffy case, is kind of a poser.
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    I always keep my head pointing down when entering a building, just so I don't accidentally see a 'no firearms' sign.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JrFreak View Post
    I always keep my head pointing down when entering a building, just so I don't accidentally see a 'no firearms' sign.
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    Default Re: Conceal Carry in warned areas?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grey Bearded One View Post
    Normal?

    As I understand it, if they ask you to leave, you have to leave. Otherwise concealed is concealed. Some silly states have laws prohibiting carrying at bars, sporting events or churches. We don't have those stupid rules.
    Bars, sporting events, churches, etc I agree are silly. One bar in Manchester NH encourages carry .... guess where these is next to no trouble? Especially since it's an open carry state. I know and understand that I can be asked to leave. I expected that in all casino's. But it never happened luckily. I was just curious just how far things went here, as far as legal issues. I wouldn't want to lose my permit because there was a 4 inch square decal on some store door. /shrug

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    Default Re: Conceal Carry in warned areas?

    This thread
    http://forum.pafoa.org/showthread.php?t=7582
    Although lengthy, is a worthwhile read.

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    "None of their business?" Sigh.... Your gun rights do not magically erase the rights of a employer or property owner. Hell my last job would not allow cell phones, weapons, papers, pens past the first floor. And smokers? Aetna across the road would not permit you even in a parking lot of 900 spaces to light up. So as the lawyer says, your rights do not trump all others.

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    Default Re: Conceal Carry in warned areas?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tiger View Post
    "None of their business?" Sigh.... Your gun rights do not magically erase the rights of a employer or property owner. Hell my last job would not allow cell phones, past the first floor. And smokers? Aetna across the road would not permit you even in a parking lot of 900 spaces to light up. So as the lawyer says, your rights do not trump all others.
    Different laws in different areas. I didn't mean a place of employment. Retail stores and such could only request you leave. The signs themselves, when you had a permit, didn't carry a lot of weight. Other states are obviosly different.

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    Default Re: Conceal Carry in warned areas?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tiger View Post
    "None of their business?" Sigh.... Your gun rights do not magically erase the rights of a employer or property owner. Hell my last job would not allow cell phones, weapons, papers, pens past the first floor. And smokers? Aetna across the road would not permit you even in a parking lot of 900 spaces to light up. So as the lawyer says, your rights do not trump all others.
    You're drawing a fictional argument. The right of a property owner to post a sign or refuse service does not equate to whether the sign is legally enforceable.
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