"75% of NRA members support universal background checks!"

[IIIIIREPOIIIII]

NOOOO!!!! Philly just likes to take things right up to the tripwire.

Then here comes that fucking repo and kicks the tripwire for fun!

[jakebrake]

More like 5 members
...plus or minus 3%

Sounds closer to reality

[nfafan]

They are already in our tent as 2a supporters, but when the general election comes about they will be there to vote for, in all probability, the skank that declared war on firearm owners even before her announcement to run as president. And there lies the problem, with over 90 million firearm owners in this country, it is obvious that many or most are not one issue voters, otherwise, political hacks like hildey would not be so brazen as to openly "malign" the many gun owners in this country that could potentially vote against her and create a landslide victory for whatever opponent. With all due respect for you JAK, those who own firearms and would vote for a Hillary Clinton should be maligned.

True that. How many "deer hunters" are solid Dem voters. They could run Hitler as Hildebeast's running mate, and many of these Dems would still vote for her and him.

[nra-life-member]

After 30 years, I still oppose checks that have nothing to do with the real issue.

[GeneCC]

The Public Policy Polling poll, conducted on behalf of MoveOn.org Civic Action and the Center for American Progress, surveyed 816 gun owners on November 11 and November 12 with a margin of error of +/- 3.4 percent.

When the NRA actually polled their members, it came out to more like 5% supporting universal background checks, more details here: https://www.gunowners.org/04052013congress.htm so, as I'm sure we all already knew, the media will publish anything Bloomturd/Soros are willing to pay for. ACCEPT NOTHING -- VERIFY EVERYTHING!

Such background checks sound great until you realize that without a gun registry it's a pretty weak system.

More so, how do we guarantee that our checks are not put into a database?


In the early 1990s Clinton got the Democratic Controlled Congress to approve the Brady check law.

Sec 3, part h

(i) PROHIBITION RELATING TO ESTABLISHMENT OF REGISTRATION SYSTEMS WITH RESPECT TO FIREARMS- No department, agency, officer, or employee of the United States may--

(1) require that any record or portion thereof maintained by the system established under this section be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or political subdivision thereof; or

(2) use the system established under this section to establish any system for the registration of firearms, firearm owners, or firearm transactions or dispositions, except with respect to persons, prohibited by section 922(g) or (n) of title 18, United States Code, from receiving a firearm.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/103/s414/text


The ink was barely dry before Clinton's Justice Department started "FIST" -

Just when you thought you were safe from having information on yourself and that of the firearms you purchased entered in to a central computerized gun database comes the Bureau of Justice Statistics a division of the U.S. Justice Department with a computer program designed to do just that. The Allegheny County Sportsmen's League (ACSL) has this time acquired a fully operational database program, which was developed for the U.S. Justice Department called "FIST". "FIST" is an acronym, which stands for Firearms Inquiry Statistical Tracking. Who’s firearms are they tracking -- yours. Yes, in spite of the ruling by Common Pleas Court in Pittsburgh that such a scheme was in violation of state and federal law, the U.S. Justice Department is confident that they have the statutory authority under federal law to ahead with "FIST".

http://www.acslpa.org/html/-f_i_s_t-_.html

[GeneCC]

Public trust is a big part of the power of Government. People believe that the Man follows the same laws as them. They agree to cooperate in investigations, work with police to manage crime and in regulating themselves.

When Government behaves in an untrustworthy manner it is left with coercion, with violence, to get things done.

The Gun Control Lobby operates from the principle that "Less guns equals less crime". They cannot tell us "We don't want you guns" and mean it.

So we resist.

[GeneCC]

No. Progressives demand you conform. Progressives attack different opinions. If a Progressive is against owning an AR-15, I do not care if they choose not to purchase one. They choose to ban me from owning one. I believe in rule of law. Borders. Nation of laws. The Republic. Enumerated powers. In Progressive circles I am an intolerant racist. They are nothing but modern day Stalinists.

They're intellectually insecure people. They like to rely upon mass media and their circle of friends for the facts. Like their Marxist forebears they label anyone who isn't with the program a "reactionary" or in modern terminology a "racist".

We don't have to conform. We have to shut up and do as we're told.

If you bother to talk with them, get them outside of their comfort zone they get skittish, scared. Most often they seek signs of "sexism" or "racism" so that they can "marginalize" you. If you don't respond as a racist or sexist this confuses them. Their usual defense is boredom.


The gun issue has been a fall back for their failures to manage cities, which degenerate because Progressives mismanage local governments. Compare and contrast urban insurance, frontage and business license requirements with small town lax rules. Add to this taxes, local labor laws, wage laws and environmental laws common to urban areas.

These laws hurt the poor. Raise the costs of entry into the market. The resulting lack of legitimate business and shitty schools leaves kids with the option of crummy jobs or "living large" in various forms of crime. Being in a line of business that often results in prison or death these kids go for broke, do not live for tomorrow. Naturally the other out, education, is corrupted by bloated bureaucracies and treating kids as inmates.... urban schools have per pupil costs much higher than suburban schools, and poorer graduation rates.

Drug market violence leads to death or prison. This suits urban politicians just fine since kids dying on the street takes the spotlight off of their own failings.

Rather than reform City Governments, letting the urban poor start businesses, an endeavor that would encourage them to seek long term solutions, delay gratification and build futures urban politicians seek "gun control", imagining that removing guns will eliminate violence. Never mind that the same non-sense with drugs has and is failing spectacularly.

Blaming guns let these politicians and their friends earn mo money while earning more money for Democrats to campaign against 'gun violence'. They can hire more police, more committees and take junkets to State capitals and DC to demand money and regulations.

We "gun nuts" have expend time and energy on defending our right because these characters won't look themselves in the mirror. Cause, well, they got a reality. Ain't necessarily our reality but they're happy with it.

[c45man]

True that. How many "deer hunters" are solid Dem voters. They could run Hitler as Hildebeast's running mate, and many of these Dems would still vote for her and him.

nfafan you are correct about the hunters, but those numbers have been falling off. Not that many years ago there were approx. 20 million hunters in this country, now there are 16 million, compared to the over 90 million firearm owners. The old timers with the attitudes that you describe don't hunt anymore or have died off. The newer generation, not taking up hunting as in the past, use modern semi autos which most states allow for that endeavor. What is aggravating part of the entire issue is the collective number of firearm owners that will go and hoard ammo and firearms because of a shaky political climate that is a threat to further gun laws, will support democrats in the voting process. If even two thirds of firearm owners in this country were one issue 2nd amendment voters, we would control the majority in the congress and have a second amendment supporter in the white house. That being said, Obama and the potential for Hildey getting into the white house can be laid on the collective number of gun owners through lack of action. Consider the simple arithmetic.