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    Default "Gun free" zone carry meme on Facebook. Thoughts about the wisdom of advertising?

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    I admit that depending on the location (not prohibited by law) I sometimes carry in areas labeled as "gun free" zones. I know the possible legal implications regarding trespass. It's something I did as a Trooper and I never quit.

    My personal thoughts are this. If a business doesn't have a secure entrance with a search for all who enter (like some sporting events or concerts) that business cares not one whit about safety. It's about liability and being a "gun free" zone allows them deniability if something were to happen and they end up as a defendant in a civil suit.

    I don't know how I feel about smacking the antis in the face like this. In some ways, I see it like open carry. You should know I'm carrying (in the abstract) and that your "gun free" zone is anything but. On the other hand, would a business go to the expense and trouble of trying to really become "gun free" with magnetometers and security? I doubt it unless the owner is truly rabidly anti-gun.
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    Default Re: "Gun free" zone carry meme on Facebook. Thoughts about the wisdom of advertising?

    I'm thinking of this when I go see Star Wars.
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    Default Re: "Gun free" zone carry meme on Facebook. Thoughts about the wisdom of advertising?

    Meh, I would never go out of my way to say I'm ignoring a no guns or weapons sign. I've said before I'm amused at the people that will see me open carrying and tell me or show me they're carrying concealed. People know me different places and if I'm cc or wearing a larger jacket will ask me why I'm not carrying.

    It's a Facebook post so most of the persons friends probably know anyway. With me carrying had always been like my sexual preference, I didn't announce it to everyone or anyone. If you are, why does anyone need to know?

    I've been oc for five+ years now and recently started to cc again. Thinking about the Paris attacks and while its improbable to happen anyplace I frequent but it's one more step in staying safe.

    I liked open because I got to talk to people and if not change their hearts and minds, they at least viewed the issue from a different and honest perspective.

    So I guess I'm saying if it starts a conversation and people learn from it or gain an understanding, it's a good thing.

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    I certainly disarm when going into the courthouse, and any other place which provides adequate armed security and metal detectors, where it is a statutory crime to carry.

    Any place that has magnetometers but not enough armed guards, I just won't patronize. They are only disarming the law-abiding, but doing nothing to stop determined killers. The spree shooter at the Navy base is a good example of how one obvious armed guard is totally inadequate to stop an armed bad guy. (At the same time, just one concealed carrier in the mix can surprise and thwart your average spree shooter, because he's not sitting at the entrance wearing a "shoot me first" uniform.)

    Places without even magnetometers or guards, with just pieces of paper on the walls declaring themselves gun-free zones, have less practical effect than a United Nations declaration of disapproval.

    I respect the property rights of others. I don't necessarily cooperate with stupidity, though. I think that gun-free zones are a recipe for disaster, and I won't help create them or participate in the madness.
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    Default Re: "Gun free" zone carry meme on Facebook. Thoughts about the wisdom of advertising?

    I don't go looking for signs. So unless one is blatantly obvious I carry everywhere that there is no security screenings and is not specifically prohibited by law.

    As GL said most places that have a minimum metal detectors but nothing else I stay away from.

    But unfortunately because of a medical condition of a family member I have to frequent the ER more often than the average person. If your lucky there is one armed guard/police officer. Sometimes its just a unarmed guard. But my choice is not be armed or not be there for a sick family member.
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    I view it about the same as I view the benefit of OCing long guns into restaurants and taking selfies by the salad bar. While it may be lawful, I don't see it as being particularly beneficial and possibly even counterproductive.

    Actually, at least OCing a long gun doesn't constitute bragging about defiant trespass.
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    Default Re: "Gun free" zone carry meme on Facebook. Thoughts about the wisdom of advertising?

    Quote Originally Posted by GunLawyer001 View Post
    I respect the property rights of others. I don't necessarily cooperate with stupidity, though. I think that gun-free zones are a recipe for disaster, and I won't help create them or participate in the madness.
    I agree with the above and I don't go out of my way looking for "no gun" signs.
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    i am a freedom loving, law abiding citizen
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    Default Re: "Gun free" zone carry meme on Facebook. Thoughts about the wisdom of advertising?

    There are no gun free /weapon free zones.
    The only question is how much effort & risk a person is willing to go to take a weapon into a prohibited zone.

    Once a King asked *Will no one rid me of a turbulent priest.*

    Three men killed the priest. Their names are known to history. They violated Church law, which wasn*t just some rule but had actual legal power, the laws of the kingdom, and eternal damnation.
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