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    Default U.S. Army switching to hollow points?

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    BREAKING: U.S. Army Switching to Hollow Point Ammunition
    By Robert Farago on July 8, 2015

    Sources tell TTAG that the United States Army is switching from ball to hollow-point ammunition for its next generation handgun. The Army dropped the bombshell yesterday at the Modular Handgun System Industry Day in Picatinny, New Jersey. The event was held as part of the Army’s procurement process to replace the Beretta M9 handgun and the ammunition used for the gun. After making the announcement, an Army lawyer mounted the stage to mount a defense for the switch hollow-points . . .

    The U.S. did not agree to a ban on expanding ammo by international treaty. And the the Army’s prepared to defend the decision in the court of international law and opinion. His core argument: countries that will denounce the use of hollow-point use the hollow points for their police forces.

    The Army said it will rely on FBI data to evaluate bids for the new ammunition. It also said that it knows it will get heat for the move, but claimed the administration supported the change at the highest levels at the Department of Defense. In other words, this is as close to a done deal as it can get without a signed contract.

    The question is: what about rifle ammo? We’re looking into it. Watch this space.

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    Default Re: U.S. Army switching to hollow points?

    They're already using hollowpoint rifle ammo for precision work, e.g. the MK262 5.56 round.
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    Default Re: U.S. Army switching to hollow points?

    Quote Originally Posted by Yellowfin View Post
    They're already using hollowpoint rifle ammo for precision work, e.g. the MK262 5.56 round.
    That isn't a hollow point round. Its a open tip match round.

    Big difference, even though they look similiar.

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    Default Re: U.S. Army switching to hollow points?

    Once the ammo manufacturers tool up, we'll hopefully have a new type of cheap bulk ammo.

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    Default Re: U.S. Army switching to hollow points?

    Quote Originally Posted by Yellowfin View Post
    They're already using hollowpoint rifle ammo for precision work, e.g. the MK262 5.56 round.
    Quote Originally Posted by Solaran_X View Post
    That isn't a hollow point round. Its a open tip match round.

    Big difference, even though they look similiar.
    This, although at least one idiot jag lawyer caused an ammo shortage because of it.
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    Default Re: U.S. Army switching to hollow points?

    That isn't a hollow point round. Its a open tip match round.

    Big difference, even though they look similiar.
    Bet it's not a big difference to a PRNJ henchman.

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    Default Re: U.S. Army switching to hollow points?

    The end of cheap fmj ball
    The beginning of the hollow point shortage as .gov buys it all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bang View Post
    Bet it's not a big difference to a PRNJ henchman.
    Its still pretty easy to tell a JHP from an OTM just by looking at them.

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    Default Re: U.S. Army switching to hollow points?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bang View Post
    Bet it's not a big difference to a PRNJ henchman.
    You're killing me. Hollow points are LEGAL in NJ. Just restricted to to bringing them home after you bought them and to and from the range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by libra8 View Post
    You're killing me. Hollow points are LEGAL in NJ. Just restricted to to bringing them home after you bought them and to and from the range.
    But they're illegal to carry, which is a moot point since you can't carry anyway.

    And I still haven't found a definitive answer on whether Hornady Critical Defense is technically considered a hollow point.

    My condolences for living in such a clusterfuck of a state.

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