ATF:The ATF's Fake Retail Stores,Bad Behavior.And Why It Only Came Out

**ungawa** · November 29th, 2014, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by MT1

I did read the story. For some reason the story has been recycled by NPR and a host of blog sites. Bottom line is still that it took place over two years ago.

What difference at this point does it make?

**Pector55** · November 29th, 2014, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by ungawa

What difference at this point does it make?

**BSH** · November 29th, 2014, 11:40 PM

Originally Posted by MT1

I did read the story. For some reason the story has been recycled by NPR and a host of blog sites. Bottom line is still that it took place over two years ago.

With no indication that they don't still have a half-dozen similar operations running at any given time.

**HUHwhat** · November 30th, 2014, 11:59 AM

The Federal government is doing an expert job in covertly providing criminal elements their tool for their means, and at the same time perceiving to the public that we need to ban guns. Articles like these nee to be noted, saved, and pinned up.

**bigandy1966** · November 30th, 2014, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by hog45

Could it be a good thing that the ATF is thoroughly incompetent? I mean, would it be better if they were actually highly sophisticated and intelligent at what they do? Considering they should not exist at all, I think it is better that they are stupid. Incompetence is dangerous, for sure, but competence in this case would probably be worse, at least from this gang.

I would rather deal with a gang of armed criminals who are bumbling idiots than armed criminals who are smart about it.

uhhmm I think the branch Davidians in Waco Tx. would argue they're good at some stuff, like burning up a bunch of women and children. then convincing Joe "window licker" Biden and a congressional committee they didn't do anything wrong. it was all those gun nuts in the compounds fault.

but this is old news too so its okay

**hog45** · November 30th, 2014, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by bigandy1966

uhhmm I think the branch Davidians in Waco Tx. would argue they're good at some stuff, like burning up a bunch of women and children. then convincing Joe "window licker" Biden and a congressional committee they didn't do anything wrong. it was all those gun nuts in the compounds fault.

but this is old news too so its okay

I was thinking about the Branch Davidians when I wrote that actually. I tend to see the massacre at Waco as the work of bumbling fools, not sophisticated at all. Giving extreme power to bumbling fools is very dangerous and inadvisable, but on the whole, if the ATF is going to exist, I would rather they be stupid than smart, even if stupidity is also dangerous.

**bigandy1966** · November 30th, 2014, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by hog45

I was thinking about the Branch Davidians when I wrote that actually. I tend to see the massacre at Waco as the work of bumbling fools, not sophisticated at all. Giving extreme power to bumbling fools is very dangerous and inadvisable, but on the whole, if the ATF is going to exist, I would rather they be stupid than smart, even if stupidity is also dangerous.

Most people these days don't know about Waco, Ruby Ridge or the battle of Athens Tennessee

**crlovel** · December 1st, 2014, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by MT1

I did read the story. For some reason the story has been recycled by NPR and a host of blog sites. Bottom line is still that it took place over two years ago.

I wasn't aware of this story. Since you seem to know everything, perhaps you could provide a link of current and not-so-current events. You know, shit that you deem relevant and notable that should never again be discussed or brought up on PAFOA, without your prior approval.