Carry loaded or unloaded rifle?

[boxjeff]

I'm looking at the purchasing the Keltec compact 9m folding rifle. I would like to carry it in my computer bag when on foot and in the car...is this legal with a carry permit, or legal at all?

http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/sub-2000/rifle/

Thanks in advance all!

[Statkowski]

As a carbine, a Keltec Sub-2000 is a rifle. It is not a pistol, nor an SBR, so no LTCF is required to carry or transport it. Of course, as a rifle, you cannot have it loaded in or on your vehicle. But, by LTCF standards, it is not a "firearm."

[jthrelf]

It may be the case that since when folded it is not operational that a loaded mag inserted would be ok when driving. I feel like I remember hearing that somewhere. Definitely not legal advice, just something to look into!

[Cyclops]

I have no idea about the legality, but I do think that any unloaded rifle is not much better than a baseball bat when it comes to self defense.

[mpan72]

It may be the case that since when folded it is not operational that a loaded mag inserted would be ok when driving. I feel like I remember hearing that somewhere. Definitely not legal advice, just something to look into!

To be blunt you should have not even posted that. You might have heard something may be legal because you possibly have heard it. Could get someone screwed up pretty bad.

I see your disclaimer but I believe you should have just deleted your post after proof reading it.

[scruff]

It may be the case that since when folded it is not operational that a loaded mag inserted would be ok when driving. I feel like I remember hearing that somewhere. Definitely not legal advice, just something to look into!

No, the law seems to be pretty clear. Rifles can't be carried loaded in a vehicle.

§ 6106.1. Carrying loaded weapons other than firearms.
(a) General rule.--Except as provided in Title 34 (relating
to game), no person shall carry a loaded pistol, revolver,
shotgun or rifle, other than a firearm as defined in section
6102 (relating to definitions), in any vehicle. The provisions
of this section shall not apply to persons excepted from the
requirement of a license to carry firearms under section
6106(b)(1), (2), (5) or (6) (relating to firearms not to be
carried without a license) nor shall the provisions of this
section be construed to permit persons to carry firearms in a
vehicle where such conduct is prohibited by section 6106.

[jthrelf]

To be blunt you should have not even posted that. You might have heard something may be legal because you possibly have heard it. Could get someone screwed up pretty bad.

I see your disclaimer but I believe you should have just deleted your post after proof reading it.

That's why there are multiple disclaimers. I said it may be the case and it's not legal advice because I'm not sure, but it's something to research more or wait for other people to comment.

I do know the Sub2000 cannot be fired when folded and it's non-functional state may have an effect on the question posed. It's a legitimate point of discussion. Never claimed to be legitimate fact.

[boxjeff]

Can I carry it open or in a bag, loaded, when outside a vehicle and on foot?

[jthrelf]

Can I carry it open or in a bag, loaded, when outside a vehicle and on foot?

Yes.

By the way, I have to ask, is this question being posed because of the keltec ads in American Rifleman with the guy in the suit with a briefcase and the ad saying "Discrete Protection"? I admit it's a kinda "cool" concept but I think very impractical.

[Bang]

May I offer a possible parallel?

Folded Sub-2000 is inoperable in the same sense that an uncocked SAA is inoperable. Cock trigger on SAA and you are in business. Unfold Sub-2000 and you are in business.