DC pols set bar impossibly high for CCW permits.

[Fred762]

Ummm...mandatory 18 hour 'classes', high fees, etc etc..folks who wish to carry (LEGALLY) must comply with multiple regs and rules, while criminals go unimpeded. Of course the politicians have yet to even certify any instructors for those imp[ossible classes..fine example are they not?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...led-carry-app/

[internet troll]

From the article:

"Lawmakers have estimated that hundreds of people might be able to qualify for concealed carry permits. "


Hmmmmm Washington has a population of about 650,000. They certainly don't think highly of their constituents if they only think hundreds will qualify. Sounds like they are saying "hey, most of our citizens are criminals, so only a very small % will qualify.

Or maybe that's just the way they look at people.

[fortysix]

The training class would not be required until Police Chief Cathy L. Lanier decides whether a legal gun owner has demonstrated a “good reason” to carry a firearm. The regulations say the investigative process to qualify for permits could take 90 days or longer for gun owners to demonstrate that they are targets of specific threats.

Similarly, the city has yet to appoint members to the Concealed Pistol Licensing Review Board, which will hear appeals from gun owners who are denied permits by the chief.

90 days or longer? So there's no requirement that it be approved in any time period? Sounds like the Chief could just pile up the applications on the desk and when questioned say that the investigation is ongoing, then tell whoever is asking to go and fornicate himself.

The terms specific threat are not in the Constitution. There are some words in there, I think they go along the lines of *SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED*, or something like that. So these applicants have to pay, prove they are targets of a specific threat, wait an undetermined number of days, then go to 18 hours of class time. Sure sounds like they are complying with the judge's order.

Concealed carry permit holders will be prohibited from taking guns into sensitive locations such as schools and government buildings, or within 1,000 feet of demonstrations or public dignitaries.

But the regulations publicized Wednesday also stipulate that Chief Lanier “may limit the geographic area, circumstances, or times of the day, week, month, or year in which a license is valid or effective.”

In DC? Yea right. I'll have to get out a map from the google and see, but I bet if you overlay such geographic restrictions on top of the map of DC, you'll find the permits don't work anywhere. Government buildings could likely include monuments and fire houses and police stations and metro stations. Good luck with that.

And now the Chief can designate days and hours when the license doesn't work? Perhaps seconds before a suspect is pulled over? Perhaps right before the IRS shows up for an audit? In case anyone's ever been to the non-government part of DC, a carry permit is 100% necessary. DC makes North Philly look like Beverly Hills.

So sounds like a poorly written judgement from the initial case, or, even better, a properly written judgement to silence the complainers. Sure, here's your rights, asshole. Jump through the hoops doggy.. you can carry your pistol every 7th Tuesday from 0800 to 0810, providing no one is within 98 feet of you and providing the moon was full in the last 4 days and it isn't a leap year, or won't be a leap year for the next 9 years.

[Fred762]

Perzactly my point. I bet a lot of "legislators" carry anyways, getting a wink and a nod from the law. Fineswine is one who we know has a hard-to-get PRofCA permit.
The Joe 6Paks who flippin pay the taxes get the shot shrift..especially inner-city minorities, who A. cannot afford the ~~ $600 fees and a ~~$600 gun & B. cannot carry that gun onto public transportation TO any Classes anyways. You'd THINK JJ or Sharptongus would be screaming 'racism'!!!

[Fred762]

The fees and classroom requirements are essentially irrelevant unless you are approved to apply

It's also a "may issue" law, so good luck with that unless you can prove you are the target of a specific threat.

Yeah..we had that carp in 10aC up til we did away w it 20 years ago..took that POWER from the local sheriffs and gave it TO the taxpayers by changing the law to "shall issue". Up til then only pols, lawyers, judges, bankers and well-connected country music stars & their guards got to carry, and ONLY a snub-nose 5 shot .38 at that!!! The sheriffs fought the loss of power but we Joe 6Paks won...now several 100,0000 taxpayers legally carry..open or concealed, hi-cap pistols of any type...and crime is down.

[Grey Bearded One]

DC makes North Philly look like Beverly Hills.

I guess you haven't spent much time in Georgetown, Tenleytown or much of the rest of Northwest.

In DC? Yea right. I'll have to get out a map from the google and see, but I bet if you overlay such geographic restrictions on top of the map of DC, you'll find the permits don't work anywhere. Government buildings could likely include monuments and fire houses and police stations and metro stations. Good luck with that.

Maryland does the same crap. You can carry while going to the bank with a cash deposit. God help you if the robber thinks that you have cash when you don't.

[Bang]

I'll make a prediction. DC may copy New Jersey's previous chilling practice when it warned instructors that they might be liable for a student they approved who does something illegal with a gun. For quite a while the de facto situation stalled pistol permits.

[Sparks]

Looks like they are already planning on challenging the BS.

[press1280]

They are trying to get the "may issue" part knocked down through the same lawsuit. Its up in the air whether this judge will do that or simply tell the plaintiffs to just file another lawsuit (and start all over again).

[GeneCC]

Ummm...mandatory 18 hour 'classes', high fees, etc etc..folks who wish to carry (LEGALLY) must comply with multiple regs and rules, while criminals go unimpeded. Of course the politicians have yet to even certify any instructors for those imp[ossible classes..fine example are they not?

In U.S. practice, a poll tax was used as a de facto or implicit pre-condition of the exercise of the ability to vote. This tax emerged in some states of the United States in the late 19th century as part of the Jim Crow laws. After the ability to vote was extended to all races by the enactment of the Fifteenth Amendment, many Southern states enacted poll tax laws as a means of restricting eligible voters; such laws often included a grandfather clause, which allowed any adult male whose father or grandfather had voted in a specific year prior to the abolition of slavery to vote without paying the tax. These laws, along with unfairly implemented literacy tests and extra-legal intimidation,[1] achieved the desired effect of disenfranchising African-American and Native American voters, as well as poor whites.

What is old is new again, huh? A Poll Tax on Second Amendment Rights.

One other fun fact - most of the population of Washington DC is African American. Is gun control racist? Too?