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    Default “He Wasn’t No Thief.” And Yet, He Died Attempting A Carjacking.

    Once again, an aspiring altar boy who was only helping blind orphaned baby seals cross the street, accidentally tripped off the curb into a carjacking, or something like that:

    http://bearingarms.com/wasnt-thief-y...ng-carjacking/
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    Default Re: “He Wasn’t No Thief.” And Yet, He Died Attempting A Carjacking.

    At least jackass had the common courtesy to get himself killed, sparing us the costs of his legal expenses and future upkeep.

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    Default Re: “He Wasn’t No Thief.” And Yet, He Died Attempting A Carjacking.

    Quote Originally Posted by priell3 View Post
    Once again, an aspiring altar boy who was only helping blind orphaned baby seals cross the street, accidentally tripped off the curb into a carjacking, or something like that:

    http://bearingarms.com/wasnt-thief-y...ng-carjacking/
    DAMN, the bad guys thought they were in the NY gun-free zone ... what a surprise for them!
    IANAL. I don't give legal advice. I'm only stating my OPINION.
    (Did I really need to say that on an Internet forum? LOL)

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    Default Re: “He Wasn’t No Thief.” And Yet, He Died Attempting A Carjacking.

    http://bearingarms.com/wasnt-thief-y...ng-carjacking/
    Once again, an aspiring altar boy who was only helping blind orphaned baby seals cross the street, accidentally tripped off the curb into a carjacking, or something like that:

    A retired NYPD cop shot and killed an 18-year-old gunman who tried to carjack him in Brooklyn early Tuesday, police sources said.

    The teen, Manuel Ocampo, and an accomplice allegedly tried to hold up retired Police Officer Derek Bishop as he sat in a Mercedes 430 at Georgia and Linden Aves. in East New York about 3:15 a.m.

    Bishop was working security at a nearby recycling plant when Ocampo and his 18-year-old cousin approached the car, pointed a gun at him and demanded his money and wheels.

    At first, Bishop gave the pair some money, but the duo demanded more, police sources said.

    The cousin, Rashawn Thompson, moved to the passenger side door, police sources said. Ocampo stayed on the driver’s side.

    Bishop got out of the car, drew his weapon and opened fire, hitting Ocampo in the chest and head, officials said.

    The attempted carjacking was was very out of character for Ocampo, according to his brother.

    Ocampo, of Coney Island, had one arrest on his record, for selling marijuana, police said. He also had pot on him when he was shot, according to cops.

    Ocampo’s family said the teen had one more year left at Liberation Diploma Plus High School on Coney Island and worked as an intern looking after kids at the Carey Gardens Child Care Center on W. 23rd St., Brooklyn.

    “He was only 18,” his sobbing brother, Christopher Ocampo, told the Daily News. “He wasn’t no thief.”

    Evidence to the contrary suggests otherwise.
    http://bearingarms.com/wasnt-thief-y...ng-carjacking/


    This sounds like a very complex situation for the shooter. He is sitting at a stoplight and two thugs come with a gun. He starts by giving them his money, then eventually gets out of the car and shoots Ocampo, who presumably was the guy holding the gun.

    I think all of us periodically go over "what if" scenarios in our heads. This is a case in which, for whatever, reason, the shooter was willing to part with his money, at some point decided that getting out of his car was a good idea, and then managed to hit the armed thug center mass and in the head.

    I would like to hear his account of it, what he was thinking, why he made the decisions he made when he made them, and so on. Some people will say never get out of the car, use it as a weapon or a getaway. Others will say you have more agility if you are on your feet. Others say hand over your money to keep the peace, others say don't ever give them anything. Obviously this guy was in a crisis situation, and the way he handled it turned out well for him.

    Sadly, he will be advised to keep quiet about all the details and the thought process.
    Sic semper tyrannis

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    Default Re: “He Wasn’t No Thief.” And Yet, He Died Attempting A Carjacking.

    Quote Originally Posted by hog45 View Post
    http://bearingarms.com/wasnt-thief-y...ng-carjacking/
    Once again, an aspiring altar boy who was only helping blind orphaned baby seals cross the street, accidentally tripped off the curb into a carjacking, or something like that:

    A retired NYPD cop shot and killed an 18-year-old gunman who tried to carjack him in Brooklyn early Tuesday, police sources said.

    The teen, Manuel Ocampo, and an accomplice allegedly tried to hold up retired Police Officer Derek Bishop as he sat in a Mercedes 430 at Georgia and Linden Aves. in East New York about 3:15 a.m.

    Bishop was working security at a nearby recycling plant when Ocampo and his 18-year-old cousin approached the car, pointed a gun at him and demanded his money and wheels.

    At first, Bishop gave the pair some money, but the duo demanded more, police sources said.

    The cousin, Rashawn Thompson, moved to the passenger side door, police sources said. Ocampo stayed on the driver’s side.

    Bishop got out of the car, drew his weapon and opened fire, hitting Ocampo in the chest and head, officials said.

    The attempted carjacking was was very out of character for Ocampo, according to his brother.

    Ocampo, of Coney Island, had one arrest on his record, for selling marijuana, police said. He also had pot on him when he was shot, according to cops.

    Ocampo’s family said the teen had one more year left at Liberation Diploma Plus High School on Coney Island and worked as an intern looking after kids at the Carey Gardens Child Care Center on W. 23rd St., Brooklyn.

    “He was only 18,” his sobbing brother, Christopher Ocampo, told the Daily News. “He wasn’t no thief.”

    Evidence to the contrary suggests otherwise.
    http://bearingarms.com/wasnt-thief-y...ng-carjacking/


    This sounds like a very complex situation for the shooter. He is sitting at a stoplight and two thugs come with a gun. He starts by giving them his money, then eventually gets out of the car and shoots Ocampo, who presumably was the guy holding the gun.

    I think all of us periodically go over "what if" scenarios in our heads. This is a case in which, for whatever, reason, the shooter was willing to part with his money, at some point decided that getting out of his car was a good idea, and then managed to hit the armed thug center mass and in the head.

    I would like to hear his account of it, what he was thinking, why he made the decisions he made when he made them, and so on. Some people will say never get out of the car, use it as a weapon or a getaway. Others will say you have more agility if you are on your feet. Others say hand over your money to keep the peace, others say don't ever give them anything. Obviously this guy was in a crisis situation, and the way he handled it turned out well for him.

    Sadly, he will be advised to keep quiet about all the details and the thought process.

    I'm going to go ahead and speculate he was pretending to comply to be able to offer effective fire in defense of his life.

    From all accounts - good shoot and glad the scum did us the favor of dying.

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    Default Re: “He Wasn’t No Thief.” And Yet, He Died Attempting A Carjacking.

    There is something about a happy ending that make feel safe.
    I will not remove my AVATAR until this threat is over. One down, four up.

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    Default Re: “He Wasn’t No Thief.” And Yet, He Died Attempting A Carjacking.

    At first, Bishop gave the pair some money, but the duo demanded more, police sources said.
    He gave up the money. They wanted to take more which could have included his life.
    MikeP

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    Default Re: “He Wasn’t No Thief.” And Yet, He Died Attempting A Carjacking.

    Quote Originally Posted by Totez View Post
    I'm going to go ahead and speculate he was pretending to comply to be able to offer effective fire in defense of his life.

    From all accounts - good shoot and glad the scum did us the favor of dying.
    Totally agree, I just wish we had more details
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    Default Re: “He Wasn’t No Thief.” And Yet, He Died Attempting A Carjacking.

    The "pot head" was just turning his life around and wasn't a KNOWN thief or car jacker.

    All's well that end well.
    The oracle is in. Age and treachery will always overcome youth and skill!!

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    Default Re: “He Wasn’t No Thief.” And Yet, He Died Attempting A Carjacking.

    Mr Ocampo got to get his Liberation Diploma alittle early.

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