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May 16th, 2008, 09:58 PM #41Grand Member
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May 17th, 2008, 01:53 AM #42
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Were you speaking to a trooper or to a PCO (dispatcher)?
If you are sure it was a trooper and they were handing out incorrect information, that's pretty sad.
Of course, if it was a PCO they should have known not to answer any requests like that and kick it to a trooper.
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May 17th, 2008, 01:55 AM #43
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March 30th, 2009, 09:45 PM #44Grand Member
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March 31st, 2009, 10:25 PM #45
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Previously stated:
My point would be if an officer makes a stop and he's unsure of the law maybe he should carry $.25 to call the DA or ADA to find out if he's on solid ground or ice breaking up under him I'm sure the CLEO and the Solicitor for the town would also have access to the law sites on line.
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April 1st, 2009, 09:06 AM #46
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Ok so a cop sees a guy walking down a street and carrying a wooden axe handle with nails sticking out of it. The cop doesn't know if that's a POW or not. Two different reactions here.
1) So bearing on the side of caution, the cop calls for backup, disarms him at gun point, cuffs him, and takes him into custody for investigation. Come to find out it was just a realistic movie prop he bought for a Halloween costume.
2) Because he's not sure of the law, the cop doesn't take any action and he ends up critically hurting someone later."Having a gun and thinking you are armed is like having a piano and thinking you are a musician" Col. Jeff Cooper (U.S.M.C. Ret.)
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April 1st, 2009, 10:10 AM #47
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My response is to what I bolded. These are just the basic topics mandated by MPOETC.
There are many more specialized, updates and advanced classes officers take during their career.
I. INTRODUCTION TO THE ACADEMY
a. Academy Mission
b. Academy Objectives
c. Rules and Regulations
d. Learning Skills
e. Role & Function of MPOETC
II. INTRODUCTION TO LAW ENFORCEMENT IN PA
a. History and Principles
b. Police, Public and C.O.P.
c. Ethics and Moral Issues
d. PA Criminal Justice System
III. PHYSICAL & EMOTIONAL READINESS
a. Physical Fitness
b. Emotional Health/Stress Mgmt.
c. Academy Physical Requirements
IV. LAWS AND PROCEDURES
a. Authority and Jurisdiction
b. Constitutional Law
c. Criminal Law
d. Criminal Procedure/Laws of Arrest
e. Search and Seizure
f. Admissions and Confessions
g. Civil Laws
h. Liquor Laws
i. Controlled Substances
j. Cell Phone Laws
k. Lethal Weapons Law
l. Electronic Surveillance Act
m. Environmental Crimes
V. DEFENSIVE TACTICS
a. Use of Force in Law Enforcement
b. Tactical self-defense
VI. MOTOR VEHICLE LAW ENFORCEMENT
a. Vehicle Code & Enforcement
b. DUI Enforcement & Prosecution
VII. MOTOR VEHICLE COLLISION INVESTIGATION
a. Collision Investigation
b. Hazardous Materials
VIII. PATROL PROCEDURES AND OPERATIONS
a. Role of Patrol in Policing the Community
b. Patrol Procedures
c. Patrol activities & incidents
d. Monitoring & Controlling Vehicular & Pedestrian traffic
e. Vehicle Stop Techniques
f. Roadblocks & Barricades
g. Crimes in Progress
h. Crowd control & Civil disorder
i. Crime Prevention/Fear Reduction
j. Special Problems-Gangs and Terrorism
IX. PRINCIPLES OF CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION
a. Officer as First Responder
b. Securing the Crime Scene
c. Interview and Interrogation
d. Identifying, Collecting Evidence
e. Identification of Suspects
f. Crimes against People
g. Crimes against Property
h. Injury and Death Cases
i. Sex Crimes
j. Controlled Substances
k. Informants & Intelligence
l. Surveillance
m. Civil Complaints & Service
n. Case Preparation
o. Radio Procedures
X. HUMAN RELATIONS
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XI. CRISIS MANAGEMENT
a. Behavior Mgmt. /Crisis Intervention
b. Dispute intervention/conflict mgmt.
c. Recognizing Special Needs
d. Suicide, barricaded persons, hostage situations
XII. FAMILIES IN CRISIS
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b. Handling juveniles & their problems
c. Domestic violence & police response
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XIII. BASIC FIREARMS
a. Basic Firearms Course
XIV. OPERATION OF PATROL VEHICLES
a. Emergency Vehicle Operations
XV. REPORT WRITING
a. Report writing & notetaking
XVI. CASE PRESENTATION
a. Courtroom Testimony & Demeanor
b. Rules of Evidence
XVII. FIRST AID & CPR
a. Emergency Response Training
XVIII. HANDLING ARRESTED PERSONS
a. Mechanics of Arrest, Restraint and Control
b. Handcuffing
c. Transporting Prisoners
d. Custody of the Mentally Ill
e. Booking and Lockup
f. Booking & Lockup/Juveniles
g. Special Problems"Having a gun and thinking you are armed is like having a piano and thinking you are a musician" Col. Jeff Cooper (U.S.M.C. Ret.)
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Re: LEO training & qualification
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3) erring on the side he is supposed to err on in america...namely that of liberty and not violating people's rights...he follows/watches the guy for awhile and sees what happens. maybe even tries to initiate a conversation out of nailed wooden axe handle range.
living in a free country does involve some risk. because other people in the country are also free, they are able to do bad things to you. thus, you have to take it upon yourself to be able to defend yourself--the state may not be there to protect you. that is the price you pay for not having to worry about the police dragging you away for no reason. personally, i'll gladly pay that price.
personally, i will never place being protected by the government above ensuring the government does not interfere with personal rights and liberty. i will never condone a government agent detaining someone just because he "isn't sure". and, as far as i can tell, that is what america is supposed to be all about--or at least it thought it was.
different philosophies, i guess...F*S=k
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April 1st, 2009, 07:19 PM #49
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I guess choice 3, observing behavior to determine if there is RAS to stop isn't on the menu? BTW, a common handgun carried openly in a holster is not a POW, so I don't see your point.
Anyway, if the handle with nails is a POW (I don't know nor really care to spend the time to find out -- axe handle with nails doesn't seem to come up too often ), then by definition possession of it is a crime so why would there be a problem with a stop? If the handle with nails is not a POW and the officer wants to give the citizen the "treatment" without RAS to make a lawful stop, the officer may write the state assembly, same as anyone else, get the law changed, and then go Rambo on the guy to his heart's content.
It really isn't rocket science.Last edited by Philadelphia; April 1st, 2009 at 07:21 PM.
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