HB 921 PICS elimination – saving Freedom, taxpayer monies & reducing size of governme

[Kabloosh]

There we go again, "why aren't you believing what all the cool kids believe?"

Has zero impact on me. Seriously. The majority is often wrong. The majority elected Obama. Twice.

FFL's have different interests than consumers. FFL's don't get involved in challenges, so the fact that a PICS challenge is pretty user-friendly and NICS doesn't really give a crap about your convenience, is not a factor for FFL's. I represent both dealers and consumers, so I have a broader view. It shouldn't be surprising that what's good for the gas industry, the car manufacturers, or any other business is not necessarily what's best for the consumers.

One trap for the unwary dealer is that if NICS fails to render a decision promptly, the dealer is "permitted" to hand over the gun anyway. Smart dealers don't do this. Not for strangers, not for their long-term customers. Because most of the prohibitors are not the sort of thing that you brag about to acquaintances. And plenty of really pleasant, nice guys and gals are prohibited persons. Plenty of people are totally unaware that their spouses are prohibited. Heck, lots of people are surprised to find out that they themselves are prohibited.

So the dealer hands over the gun 4 days after the sale, and then a month later ATF comes after the customer. There's no up side to this for the dealer, particularly if the customer did something really bad in the interim with the gun. Expect some civil lawsuits, and some blame to be shifted your way.

It's possible that NICS has a marginally better up-time than PICS, and that's certainly a legitimate concern for dealers, especially at gun shows. There is an economy of scale for NICS, because the gun show volume nationwide will not fluctuate as much as it does just in Pennsylvania. So a big gun show weekend will swamp PICS. On the other hand, PICS is automating more of the PICS checks, which should free up the phone lines by diverting more traffic to the Internet site.

My dad is prohibited for a reckless endangerment conviction(on a DUI) in the early 80s. He took the deal at the time so he could get his license back faster, not knowing it was a firearm ownership ending conviction. He would have to spend a few thousand to scrub his record which is stupid and ridiculous. The fact that you need a lawyer to do such a thing is one of the disgusting things about this country. It's no wonder lawyers end up becoming elected officials because they end up writing the law in a way that only they can read it properly so they can stay in business. If you want to talk about an industry that thrives off the tit of the government look no further than lawyers.

*glares at GunLawyer001*
/shake fist

[freesoul]

My dad is prohibited for a reckless endangerment conviction(on a DUI) in the early 80s. He took the deal at the time so he could get his license back faster, not knowing it was a firearm ownership ending conviction. He would have to spend a few thousand to scrub his record which is stupid and ridiculous. The fact that you need a lawyer to do such a thing is one of the disgusting things about this country. It's no wonder lawyers end up becoming elected officials because they end up writing the law in a way that only they can read it properly so they can stay in business. If you want to talk about an industry that thrives off the tit of the government look no further than lawyers.

*glares at GunLawyer001*
/shake fist

when that happens elsewhere in the spectrum of life it is referred to as "parasitic"

[Philbert]

My dad is prohibited for a reckless endangerment conviction(on a DUI) in the early 80s. He took the deal at the time so he could get his license back faster, not knowing it was a firearm ownership ending conviction. He would have to spend a few thousand to scrub his record which is stupid and ridiculous. The fact that you need a lawyer to do such a thing is one of the disgusting things about this country. It's no wonder lawyers end up becoming elected officials because they end up writing the law in a way that only they can read it properly so they can stay in business. If you want to talk about an industry that thrives off the tit of the government look no further than lawyers.

*glares at GunLawyer001*
/shake fist

It would be better to take the weekend off than phone in your trolling like this. It's not even on topic.

[SigForLife]

My dad is prohibited for a reckless endangerment conviction(on a DUI) in the early 80s.

Something doesn't sound right, as, at least currently, a conviction for recklessly endangering another person (REAP), Section 2705, is a misdemeanor of the 2nd degree and not state or federally prohibiting. (Based on the limited information you provided, it doesn't sound like there is a contention that it is domestic violence related). I'd have to look if the grading has changed over the years but it would be very unusual for the grading to be reduced (although it has happened when we switched from a penal code to the crimes code in the 70's).