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September 9th, 2013, 10:05 PM #21
Re: Legality of foregrips on rifles and shotguns
Unfortunately our society has devolved in the past 50 years so that people cannot be trusted to do what is moral, apply common sense or take personal responsibility for their actions. Laws are proliferating because, more and more, they address the lowest common denominator portion of that body politic at one end and the schemers and loophole-criminals at the other.
Last edited by tl_3237; September 9th, 2013 at 10:08 PM.
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September 10th, 2013, 07:42 AM #22Super Member
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Re: Legality of foregrips on rifles and shotguns
You hit the nail right on the head. I have always said that is the exact reason why we get these type of laws.
The problem is there are still responsible people who would do just fine as a society with many less laws.
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September 10th, 2013, 05:51 PM #23
Re: Legality of foregrips on rifles and shotguns
I guess he knows more then you do, nothing irritates me more then a know it all that spreads misinformation. Maybe you need to check your ego at the door and realize that maybe you don't know everything.
No, i think he should stay in NY looking at a lot of his posts hes been spreading misinformation and has the i know it all attitude, we have enough NY and NJ implants in PA we don't need anymore.IANAL
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September 27th, 2013, 09:08 AM #24Junior Member
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Re: Legality of foregrips on rifles and shotguns
It's not about safety. It's about jerk offs hopping out of thier cars when they see a big buck and using the vehicle as a stabalizer to take a shot.
They DO NOT want you discharging your weapon near the road, parking area, or any other place random people could be milling around. So they wrote the law that a loaded gun can not be touching the car.
There were tons of people doing stupid things hundreds and thousands of years ago. The issue is that it is almost impossible to get laws taken off the books, so as new things come and go there are only more laws.
There are many laws on the books that are uninforced, redicoulous, and no longer valid.
You can thank the war of drugs for most of your issues. It has introduced a school of thought that the only way you can stop something from happening is to criminalize it. Even if that thing has no greater affect on others than similar legal acts.
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September 27th, 2013, 03:54 PM #25
Re: Legality of foregrips on rifles and shotguns
Most of the road proximity issue has already been addressed by:
34 Pa CS § 2504. Shooting on or across highways.
(a) General rule.--It is unlawful for any person to shoot at
any game or wildlife while it is on a public highway or on a
highway open to use or used by the public or to shoot across a
public highway or a highway or roadway open to use or used by
the public unless the line of fire is high enough above the
elevation of the highway to preclude any danger to the users of
the highway. It shall be unlawful for any person, after
alighting from a motor vehicle being driven on or stopped on or
along a public highway or road open to public travel, to shoot
at any wild bird or wild animal while the person doing the
shooting is within 25 yards of the traveled portion of the
public highway or road open to public travel.
What Title 34 prohibitions are there against discharge "near ,,, parking area, or any other place random people could be milling around"?
As to shooting off a vehicle it's unclear to me whether you can stabilize yourself on a stopped vehicle while holding the firearm totally out of vehicle contact having alighted from the vehicle (anyone with citations?). It may be covered under:
§ 2308. Unlawful devices and methods.
(a) General rule.--Except as otherwise provided in this
title, it is unlawful for any person to hunt or aid, abet,
assist or conspire to hunt any game or wildlife through the use
of:
(7) A vehicle or conveyance of any kind or its
attachment propelled by other than manpower.
Commonwealth v. Cook, Common Pleas Court of Warren County, Pennsylvania. 1989.
In light of the foregoing, what purpose other than safety would you attribute to § 2503's "or against" proscription?Last edited by tl_3237; September 27th, 2013 at 04:04 PM.
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