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July 12th, 2013, 09:29 PM #1
Concealed permit holders get into a shootout
As they traveled down a freeway.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/p...215267661.html
Two Milwaukee men — each with a state permit to carry a concealed weapon — traded dozens of shots in a rolling shootout through two sides of town and down a freeway, the kind of scenario concealed-carry opponents warned would turn road rage incidents deadly.
No one was killed or injured in the June 26 incident, according to a criminal complaint that charges just one of the men with a crime, who says he feels like he's being punished for being a victim.
"I can assure you, he was definitely the aggressor," said Eric Adamany, 27. "It absolutely blows my mind he's not been charged." Adamany estimated people in the other fired 50 to 100 rounds at his car.
Prosecutors won't talk about the case, and the second shooter couldn't be reached for comment Friday. But the gunfight is bound to spark more debate over concealed carry.
According to a criminal complaint:
Shortly after midnight, a man on the south side flagged down a police officer near S. 6th St. and Oklahoma Ave. in Milwaukee to say he had just seen gunshots coming from a black car at the stoplight.
Sheriff's deputies, alerted to the possibility of two vehicles possibly involved in a gunfight on I-43, saturated the area near the North Ave. exit. One deputy was flagged down by Adamany near North Ave. and King Drive.
Adamany had put his black 9mm Beretta handgun on his blue 2002 Audi A4.
Meanwhile, another deputy was talking to Roy Scott a couple blocks away on N. 4th St. Scott told the deputy he was carrying a .40-caliber Ruger handgun.
Both men admitted they were in a gunfight but said the other had fired the first shot. Both were arrested and interviewed by Milwaukee police detectives.
Adamany said he had just left the Taco Bell near S. 14th and W. Burnham streets and had pulled over to send a text message when a gold Dodge Magnum pulled up. A passenger said, "What are you looking at, white boy?" showed a chrome handgun and fired at Adamany's car, hit the driver's side mirror, then sped off.
Adamany told a detective he reached for his gun immediately but the safety was on. He said he called 911 and began following the Dodge as it headed for the freeway and said that someone in the Dodge fired a few more shots at him. He said the two cars were swerving around other traffic before the Dodge left the freeway briefly at McKinley Ave. then re-entered, still heading north.
That's when Adamany began emptying the magazine of his gun, shooting out the window with his left hand while driving and using the phone with his right hand, he told police.
"My radiator was hit, and the car was starting to overheat, so I aimed low to shoot out the tires," Adamany said in the interview. He said his phone was connected to 911 the entire time informing police of the Dodge's lcoation and that the recording will back up his story.
According to the complaint, Scott told a different detective that he and a friend were driving near S. 27th St. and W. Morgan Ave. when a blue car passed him. The other driver, Scott said, "mean mugged" him and showed a black handgun.
Scott grabbed his gun and displayed it before speeding away. Soon the blue car was chasing him, Scott said, firing shots. So Scott fired back out his driver's window, pointing backward over his shoulder with his right hand, while steering with his left.
Scott said he finally had to exit I-43 at North Ave. because all his tires had been shot out, and his car came to rest on King Drive. He said the other man was still shooting, so he and his passenger ran away until they saw the deputy on N. 4th St.
Adamany said Friday that after he bailed out of jail for $1,000 three days later, proseuctors told him that if and when they decided to charge him, he'd get a summons in the mail. He said he found out later by checking online court records that he'd been charged July 3 with first-degree reckless endangering safety.
He said when he first took off after the Dodge, he though he was doing the right thing.
"Just kept thinking what about the next person, what if they didn't have a gun?," he said. "I think were looking for a random person to shoot, honestly."
Scott, also 27, could not be reached for comment Friday. A message was left for him at the Milwaukee gym where he trains as a mixed martial arts fighter.
Adamany said he works for an agency as a caretaker for a disabled person, has a steady girlfriend, twin daughters and quiet lifestyle. He also mentioned he used to be involved in mixed martial arts until an injury in 2010, but denied he had ever crossed paths with Scott.
"That is a very wild coincidence," he said..
Mayor Tom Barrett said his security staff brought the story to his attention as soon as it appeared Friday on JSOnline.
"This has always been one of my concerns (with the concealed-carry law) — that things like road rage could turn out like the wild, wild West," he said. " Here we are."
Nik Clark, president of Wisconsin Carry Inc., a gun rights advocacy group, said both Adamany and Scott's actions fell well outside of any kind of responsible gun owner training.
But he also said their irresponsible gun use is outweighed by at least five instances in Milwaukee in which permit holders stopped crime or saved a life with their weapons.
"The fact that we now have a single instance where a CCL holder may have broken the law (and will certainly lose their right to carry as a result) doesn't change the reality that concealed carry works," Clark said.
In another recent case, a concealed-carry license holder was charged in a shooting. Phillip Green, 40, is charged with first-degree reckless homicide in the May shooting death of Ernest Banks. According to the criminal complaint, the two men got into a fight after visiting taverns together. Green told police he fired when he feared Banks was about to attack him againLast edited by internet troll; July 12th, 2013 at 10:01 PM.
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July 12th, 2013, 09:46 PM #2
Re: Two Milwaukee men — each with a state permit to carry a concealed weapon
OP of other thread asked to have this split off so not to derail his own thread.
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July 12th, 2013, 09:53 PM #3
Re: Two Milwaukee men — each with a state permit to carry a concealed weapon
No problem, should have taken more into consideration before posting this in that thread.
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July 12th, 2013, 09:56 PM #4
Re: Two Milwaukee men — each with a state permit to carry a concealed weapon
Thanks to you both!
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July 12th, 2013, 10:09 PM #5Grand Member
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Re: Concealed permit holders get into a shootout
A guy shoots at you and drives off, so you lock and load and drive after him? WTF am I reading?
Well, the antis predicted this in every state that legalized carry. I guess it took 49 but here it is. Insanity.Last edited by Philbert; July 12th, 2013 at 10:11 PM.
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July 12th, 2013, 10:11 PM #6
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So ummm, it's a racially motivated crime of Black against White.
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July 12th, 2013, 10:24 PM #7
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How long before this little gem gets picked up on national news.....
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July 12th, 2013, 11:10 PM #8Banned
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July 12th, 2013, 11:28 PM #9
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Fucking great. This is exactly what we all need right now...
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I don't know anything, but...sometimes I really really really wonder if alot of these things are staged by groups with political agendas.
Did anybody notice how the rash of mass killings recently started just before AND just after Obama was re-elected? Di anybody notice how when certain states were about to legislate accordingly, people in those state governments were targeted...basically assassinated?
It has become a strange world which makes the Cold War look like a funhouse.
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