Question about LTCF at work

[00gt1]

First off, this isn't one of those "my friend" questions that is really about me, this truly has happened to a friend of mine. Second off, this is still ongoing so please dont ask for more details than I posted because I'm not going to give them out until it's resolved.

Anywho... here the situation. My friend was pulled into a meeting and basically told that he was being watched more closely than others and was being "monitored" because someone reported to the company that he has a LTCF.

My initial reaction was of shock. It seems to me that that kind of information is none of their business and does not affect the work environment what so ever (personally from talking to people, I'd say about half of our office has a LTCF). Not to mention what you do on your own time off the clock is also none of their business. My secondary reaction was more of a legal concern. I am by no means a lawyer, and hopefully gunlawyer can weigh in on this but it would seem to me that a confrontation by management based off of hearsay singling out an employee would be borderline harassment (we are not at will employees, we are all unionized and have a contract). The union itself seems apprehensive to get anywhere near the situation but will probably step in if the issue is pressed.

I did check my work rules and while my work prohibits carrying firearms at work, there is nothing in there about being licensed to carry (as I assumed there wouldn't be since they can not control your life outside of work).

So what are your thoughts on the situation... do you think the issue should be pressed or should he keep his head down and just let it go?

[Grey Bearded One]

What you do off the clock can become the business of your employer if it draws undue attention to your workplace. "The exotic dancer who, during the day, is an accountant with the firm of Dewey, Cheatham, and How . . ."

Union, schmoonion. They were probably watching the guy to begin with because of some sort of questionable behavior. If they do let him go, the police will probably be on hand to escort him from the building.

[zackattack784]

If nothing else is said about it I wouldn't worry about it. I work in management for a unionized company. It's impossible to lose your job if you show up and put in even the smallest amount of effort.

[PAMedic=F|A=]

I would question how they received the information. It has been posted that a sheriff that leaked such information commited a illegal violation of the ltcf holders privacy - but I don't know that for sure as I've only read it here and it was not sighted.
Regardless I would want to kno the source of the information.

[twency]

I would question how they received the information. It has been posted that a sheriff that leaked such information commited a illegal violation of the ltcf holders privacy - but I don't know that for sure as I've only read it here and it was not sighted.
Regardless I would want to kno the source of the information.

This is probably what was being referred to:

18 Pa.C.S. § 6111: Sale or transfer of firearms
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(i) Confidentiality.-- All information provided by the potential purchaser, transferee or applicant, including, but not limited to, the potential purchaser, transferee or applicant's name or identity, furnished by a potential purchaser or transferee under this section or any applicant for a license to carry a firearm as provided by section 6109 shall be confidential and not subject to public disclosure. In addition to any other sanction or penalty imposed by this chapter, any person, licensed dealer, State or local governmental agency or department that violates this subsection shall be liable in civil damages in the amount of $1,000 per occurrence or three times the actual damages incurred as a result of the violation, whichever is greater, as well as reasonable attorney fees.
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[ray h]

My guess is he won't be fired or punished for having a LTCF so as long as he isn't breaking compnay policy and they want to watch him, give them a show. Go to the union and make sure they will back him if he's fired or punished for having it and then advertise it. Wear a shirt saying it, make a point of going to the front office and saying "I've got my LTCF today, do you have yours.", make it clear to the front office that you don't feel safe in that work environment because apparently you are the only one there who can pass a background check.
I would turn it around and play with them alittle until they wish they never brought it up.

[fortysix]

This is reason #3 why I refused to fill in that section of the application (among others) on the LTCF application.

Whether it was revealed by the sheriff (against state law) or not, it is possible, and the simple fact that the sheriff has both pieces of information (the employers' data, and the application as proof that this person is seeking or possesses such a license) is absolutely unacceptable. Just because I don't think my employer would care doesn't mean they have the right to know, nor that I want them to. Just as I have no interest in any of my *references* to know either, and why I didn't provide references either.

The more people bend over and just fill out the application completely, to go along to get along, the more ridiculous the questions will get, instead of the opposite.

In your friend's case, there's some problems for him. The first is that as you know the owner of the property can allow or not allow firearms for any reason or no reason, and in Pennsylvania, can terminate for any reason or no reason. The contract with the mentioned union may change these statements. If they are going to *watch him more closely*, then he needs to show how important he is for the company. What better to show them while they're on 24 hour watch than that.

Having a license to carry is no different in a workplace than having a license to hunt, or an Air Assault Badge. Any of the three would imply (and possibly certify) that one is trained and prepared to make things and people dead. None of the three are any guarantee that it will ever happen.

Your friend ought not to keep his head down. Never do that. Lead the way. If he's under contract, and the union at least is standing hands-off, and there's nothing in the work rules regarding the situation, he needs to confront it head-on. What that means depends on your friend's level of comfort and attitude.

Best of luck to your friend.

[Yarz]

This is reason #3 why I refused to fill in that section of the application (among others) on the LTCF application.

I didn't know you could refuse that.. When I asked if they needed it, they told me yes.. I would have prefered not to include it

OP, I would tell him not keep quiet about it. Don't cause enough trouble to risk the job, but make sure they know he was unhappy

[Gun]

First off, this isn't one of those "my friend" questions that is really about me, this truly has happened to a friend of mine. Second off, this is still ongoing so please dont ask for more details than I posted because I'm not going to give them out until it's resolved.

Not sure why you posted this thread if you can't give all the details. Highly unlikely the company received the info about the LTCF from the sheriff. More likely the info was passed amongst co-workers and eventually got to mgt.

This pot is being stirred with very few ingredients.

[Arrdy]

Probably casually mentioned to someone he has a LTCF and it was overheard or relayed to another. In today's climate: LTCF = he has guns = he carries guns SO he must have a gun on him at all times. In Pa. you do have the right to report to HR anything you feel is a threat to your safety at work. Put 2 and 2 together .... This could have been management's way of saying 'someone said something so be careful'.

I've said it once and I'll keep saying it: Never tell ANYONE you work with you have a LTCF. (unless it's where firearms are accepted)

And the fun part .... you don't have the right to know who's accused you.